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Post by Michele on Nov 20, 2008 5:49:54 GMT -5
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Post by shywriter on Nov 23, 2008 17:50:34 GMT -5
*Hands up excitedly* Rictus by Sequitur? Instant answering service, thank you both!  Loved that story. Since Rictus is one of the all time favorite (and often-recommended) fics in NCIS, it's worth suggesting that Sequitur's other fic is really good, too. Just found this morning: Everyone You Know -- it's a really good one-shot involving a different outcome with Tony & the Frog, but no Jeanne (I suspect written before that plot line played out.) Another really good one shot she's done is In Transit. Finally, one with a dark twist (warning) but, once again, so very well written: I Can't Wait to See Their Faces. I believe I found her LJ and she's announced that she's no longer writing fanfic. We can hope that she'll be back; her stories are a big step above most of the NCIS fic on FFN. |
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Post by mari on Nov 25, 2008 1:14:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the warning - I’m such a loser for first reading the first sentences and then going straight to the ending to pre-empt the dark surprise.  But really great story of course, always thought the first half of this episode was interesting, how their usual dynamics are still shaken up by Tony almost dying and so good to see more of it…  |
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Post by Michele on Jan 13, 2009 23:45:06 GMT -5
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Post by shywriter on Dec 9, 2009 19:24:15 GMT -5
Okay, this isn't so much of a recommendation as a proposition and a poke at our obsessive plot & character analyzing members ... specifically, those who might weigh in on such things for NCIS character development, plot lines, all that ... I'm thinking strongly about starting a forum on FFN for those who want to dissect, nit-pick, speculate, analyze, debate, suggest and basically take all the joy out of the show (well, and build the joy of those of us who love to dissect, nit-pick, speculate, analyze, debate and suggest ... ;D) I'm putting this here because I imagine the discussion being more of an analysis from a writer/creator POV, understanding that we're discussing characters, not real people.  in other words, the approach is more "What did they mean when they had Tony say this line?" as opposed to "What did Tony mean when he said...?" Certainly things might end up being said that way, but you get the idea -- I would like to see us discuss what has been shown in the show, what hasn't been developed and what has, what they have completed and what's missing... I'm also soliciting ideas, I guess, of how to pitch this -- heck, who cares who tries to pipe up on the forum, but given how other boards argue like junior high kids about some of this, and consider such discussion "negativity," my thought would be that people could come on and discuss what they want, ignore what they want. Anyone in? (I'm looking at you, Mr. Clark ... Mari? And maybe we could find a representative for dzero, when he offers his input on a show -- maybe a fanfic interpreter and cultural liaison to get him in the game?  ) Heck, you guys are the only sane people I know so I thought I'd ask here. If there's no interest, I probably won't bother with a forum, but just go back to bugging Mari by PM about all the fic-aspects of this...  Any thoughts? |
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Post by Mr.Clark on Dec 10, 2009 4:16:41 GMT -5
I'm open to contributing, I'm somewhat reluctant to assert myself in writers communities as I'm no writer but this tends to be overcome by my inability to keep my mouth shut. I've not read alot of NCIS fanfic lately but I'm always up for some Fruedian psychoanalysis of characters.
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Post by dzero on Dec 10, 2009 16:04:52 GMT -5
Okay, this isn't so much of a recommendation as a proposition and a poke at our obsessive plot & character analyzing members ... specifically, those who might weigh in on such things for NCIS character development, plot lines, all that ... I'm thinking strongly about starting a forum on FFN for those who want to dissect, nit-pick, speculate, analyze, debate, suggest and basically take all the joy out of the show (well, and build the joy of those of us who love to dissect, nit-pick, speculate, analyze, debate and suggest ... ;D) I'm putting this here because I imagine the discussion being more of an analysis from a writer/creator POV, understanding that we're discussing characters, not real people. in other words, the approach is more "What did they mean when they had Tony say this line?" as opposed to "What did Tony mean when he said...?" Certainly things might end up being said that way, but you get the idea -- I would like to see us discuss what has been shown in the show, what hasn't been developed and what has, what they have completed and what's missing... I'm also soliciting ideas, I guess, of how to pitch this -- heck, who cares who tries to pipe up on the forum, but given how other boards argue like junior high kids about some of this, and consider such discussion "negativity," my thought would be that people could come on and discuss what they want, ignore what they want. Anyone in? (I'm looking at you, Mr. Clark ... Mari? And maybe we could find a representative for dzero, when he offers his input on a show -- maybe a fanfic interpreter and cultural liaison to get him in the game? ) Heck, you guys are the only sane people I know so I thought I'd ask here. If there's no interest, I probably won't bother with a forum, but just go back to bugging Mari by PM about all the fic-aspects of this... Any thoughts? My second attempt at a reply, which is a shame because my first was very well written if I do say so myself. Not being familiar with Fan Fiction or the sites where it is discussed, I have what may be an obvious question...the proposed forum would be different because you wouldn't actually host any Fan Fiction and therefore you hope that the comments and criticisms being in a separate forum from the actual stories might lead to a more reasonable adult discussion of the stories and the characters and not devolve into Junior High infighting? if so then I vote 'yay' |
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Post by mari on Dec 10, 2009 16:27:35 GMT -5
Have you ever seen me pass on any kind of over-analysis?  Any? Ever? (And you’re mistaking the direction of the bugging ) Actually the over-analysing partly is what keeps me from going to read more than the occasional NCIS fic, the sheer mass of it. It’s like a too huge menu and finding the good stuff by trial and error. And then, assuming there’s a larger amount of good fic being posted each day than in DA, so much fic-gobbling and obsess-reviewing and the addiction of just one more… I like the idea of a live and let live forum without shipper fights or ‘only one, literal interpretation’-attitudes. (And no lecturing those who haven’t yet watched every episode and know every tiny canon detail? ) And I’m revealing my ignorance on the NCIS fandom, but before dzero’s post I wouldn’t have thought that a no fic-posting /links rule would be necessary to achieve that.. (No fanfic discussion either?) (Actually, with the TIVA discussion was wondering about something that might fit there: With the show at different points stressing UST and relationship possibilities between different characters like Abby and McGee early on or now Tony and Ziva, did that change which is the main pairing of fanfic?) |
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Post by shywriter on Dec 10, 2009 22:56:19 GMT -5
Oh, yay, all these responses! What a welcome discovery after a LONG, frustrating day! It's enough (well, and this second LARGE flagon* of very, very potent eggnog) to make everything sunny again! (except it's been dark for HOURS now...) (*aside to Mari: BWAHAHAHAH!! I did it again! I first called it a "floggin" of eggnog, just proving once more that when pressed by sensory overload of such beauty and joy, and a word in the local language just isn't sufficient -- a whole new word comes to the world to be added to the lexicon!! ;D ;D ;D) (wasn't alcohol involved the first time, too? ) But let me first respond to everyone by saying that I misled everyone (big surprise! ), probably by posting here in the fic section and mentioning writing... but my thought was more to dig into the show itself, the plots and the characters, etc, much as we've done here. And what we've done *here* is talk about the way the show has gone, the way the characters keep shifting, etc. Because that's largely the writers' doing, it becomes a writers-oriented discussion -- plot development & all. As far as I'm concerned, if we never discuss one fanfic ever, that's fine; however, the way the forums are set up someone could post a separate thread about a specific fanfic, or fanfic in general, and the discussion could proceed there and never cross lines with those just discussing the show -- those interested could jump in or avoid it all together, at their whim. We could certainly do the same here, but I thought about FFN because we might pick up a few more people along the way ... whatever works! So any of the concerns or comments about not reading fanfic shouldn't make a bit of difference. And that being said... lemme go back and read and reply more directly! ~ ;D ~ P.S.: woo-hoo! |
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Post by shywriter on Dec 10, 2009 23:11:43 GMT -5
I'm open to contributing, I'm somewhat reluctant to assert myself in writers communities as I'm no writer but this tends to be overcome by my inability to keep my mouth shut. I've not read alot of NCIS fanfic lately but I'm always up for some Fruedian psychoanalysis of characters. As mentioned, should be no worries at all -- granted, it's on a writer's site, but character dissection is part & parcel of what they do, and whether or not it comes from a current reader or writer shouldn't matter -- what's more important is your familiarity with the show and a geeky obsession with trying to figure out what makes them tick! (and this goes to everyone reading this! Everyone should jump on in!) |
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Post by shywriter on Dec 10, 2009 23:28:23 GMT -5
My second attempt at a reply, which is a shame because my first was very well written if I do say so myself. See? You're a natural! To the essence of your question, yes: the goal is definitely a reasonable adult discussion of the stories and the characters and not devolve into Junior High infighting -- pretty much what led me to this idea. And as said, the point is to discuss the show, not the fanfic; what people want to add as additional threads to follow is fine, because they can have side discussions about fanfic if the mood arose. On FFN, you can subscribe to specific threads within the forum and get updates & responses via e-mail if you like for just those you want to follow. Of course, you needn't subscribe at all and could just hop on to check out the board, whenever. To show you the set up, here's a link to a DA forum Mari & I haunt, "Blah Blah Woof Woof" forum.fanfiction.net/forum/Blah_Blah_Woof_Woof/9434/ (yes, it's fic oriented, but that's just because that's what we were after with that crowd.) With such a set-up, we can set a topic and beat it to death, and other ideas could be posted and discussed at one's leisure... The downside for you at this point, dzero, is that while you can read the forum as a passer-by, to post a reply, you need to be a member. It's as easy (easier!) as becoming a member here, but if for whatever reason you don't want to open up a membership but might want to post, I suspect one of us might be willing to cut & paste & attribute whatever you might like to say until you break down and can't help but want to get on yourself, too! ;D |
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Post by shywriter on Dec 10, 2009 23:51:02 GMT -5
Have you ever seen me pass on any kind of over-analysis? Any? Ever? (And you’re mistaking the direction of the bugging ) I knew I could count on you!! ;D Yeah, I watched a board for a while then tried to jump in a bit, and even the best of the boards is populated with people very protective of their favorite character and/or pairing -- to the point of near-name calling and labeling, even when they don't think that's what they're doing. That's fine if that's what the board's members want, but I decided to go looking for a place to discuss them as fictional characters and not real people, and I didn't find anything satisfactory. You know how BBWW is, you can set up a thread for whatever you feel like discussing, and it doesn't get in the way of others in another thread. So if fic came up, fine, but it might be good to keep it separate from a dissection of the show. If it happened that we get some trolls who want to insert themselves in an otherwise adult, rational conversation, I could see giving them one warning and then giving them the boot -- they have plenty of places to do that (and might even be welcomed to do so but in a separate thread, just not interrupting the adult conversation) -- if they've run the adults off from other places, we just find one where we get to put some limits on things. Basically, the rules ought to be just the basic civility and letting others discuss what they want to discuss. (for example, there has been a problem finding a place to discuss what happened to Ziva between S6 & S7 -- for a few different reasons, discussion about the reality of what would have happened to her in the terrorists' custody -- and the show's apparent unwillingness to admit it, too -- has not been one that has found a comfortable home.) See, you have a thread all ready to start! So it sounds as if I ought to pull out my Big Brain and think of setting this up! Whee, thanks to everyone for helping me forget what a crummy day it was today! ;D |
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Post by dzero on Dec 11, 2009 0:25:57 GMT -5
But let me first respond to everyone by saying that I misled everyone (big surprise! ), probably by posting here in the fic section and mentioning writing... but my thought was more to dig into the show itself, the plots and the characters, etc, much as we've done here.  Damn you, my first oh so well written reply I even used the word proverbial was all about asking if this new forum was for Fan Fiction or the show itself or both then after posting I thought "no way, it's in the fiction thread of course it's about fan fiction" Alright now I have one more obvious question, so I am guessing that NCIS special opps site has devolved into JR high infighting? Any juicy gossip you want to let dzero in on? Finally yes I would contribute and I agree you are more likely to pick up new members at this proposed new forum but I do worry that it would kill off more traffic here  . |
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Post by Mr.Clark on Dec 11, 2009 3:22:47 GMT -5
Alright now I have one more obvious question, so I am guessing that NCIS special opps site has devolved into JR high infighting? Any juicy gossip you want to let dzero in on? SpeicalOps isn't that bad for the most part, occasionally things do spiral out of control often over the silliest of things. I"ve taken to avoiding Specialops when the show is on a break or hiatus as the lack of new stuff tends to mean the community focuses on certain things to the point of turning an ant hill into Mt. Olympus. |
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Post by shywriter on Dec 11, 2009 7:34:34 GMT -5
Damn you, my first oh so well written reply I even used the word proverbial was all about asking if this new forum was for Fan Fiction or the show itself or both then after posting I thought "no way, it's in the fiction thread of course it's about fan fiction" See, already the frustrated fic writer in you is itching to get out! ;D Infighting -- not overall, no -- but the majority of the membership doesn't want to engage in that sort of deconstruction, so there are complaints when the darker or less fuzzy moments are discussed. And like here, all the recent posts parade up the 'recent posts' screen, so for those who do want to avoid the discussions, it's harder, even if we were to get out own thread (no word on that so I suppose it's not a go). Yeah, I know, they don't have to read, but they do, and it's upsetting enough to put people off -- and the purpose certainly isn't to antagonize people. The Forum set up -- and especially the e-mails sent directly to you -- make it more likely that those who read want to read (or hey, if someone wants to track me down that far to get in my face, in my yard, to complain that I'm "negative" or "ignorant" -- and oh, believe me, I've been called worse! -- then that open invitation is even more fun! ;D) Also, of course, not my intent, but I would hope for more geeky discussion there that I always think is too much for us here -- after all, this is a DA board, not NCIS, and we don't even get that nitty-gritty with DA discussions (although I'd be up for that too!) Maybe get something up and play things by ear? With promises of keeping the home fires burning here too? |
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in other words, the approach is more "What did they mean when they had Tony say this line?" as opposed to "What did Tony mean when he said...?" Certainly things might end up being said that way, but you get the idea -- I would like to see us discuss what has been shown in the show, what hasn't been developed and what has, what they have completed and what's missing...
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