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Post by ML Fan on Jan 15, 2007 0:17:32 GMT -5
Have you seen "Suspicion?" Tell us what you thought. This is the first new episode of 2007.
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Post by ML Fan on Jan 16, 2007 22:28:15 GMT -5
As far as the very last scene, I wasn't surprised at all that someone was secretly spying on Tony and his girlfriend, I would be very surprised if his girlfriend doesn't somehow end up hurt or dead. As if this wouldn't make Tony feel guility, I'm sure that lying and worrying Ziva will bother him especially when she finds out the whole truth as to why he's been lying to her. She has never seemed like the type of woman who would take being lied to well at all and she now knows after talking with Gibbs that he has already lied to her once about the hospital visit and she has noticed a real change in how much he reveals about himself now as opposed to previously. I do think Gibbs did have some idea previously about a secret mission, even though he never asked Tony about that directly, but, I believe that he does know for certain that Tony is working on a secret mission. I also liked how McGee got to call someone else "Probie" and how he took her under his wing a bit and took her suggestion and report seriously. I also liked that there was no Director in this episode, because, I really couldn't see a real need for her in this episode after I watched it. I thought that this episode was worth the wait.
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Post by ML Fan on Jan 17, 2007 12:54:44 GMT -5
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Post by ML Fan on Jan 18, 2007 10:04:18 GMT -5
Where are the Michael Weatherly fans here?  |
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Post by Aerie on Jan 18, 2007 14:05:14 GMT -5
I just watched this ep and, even though I enjoyed it, it seemed like a lot of scenes all edited together. I know that's what a series episode is - but it's not supposed to appear that way. Oh well, it was probably just me. I need to rewatch the Tony scenes to get that old feeling back. I hate the way Sir DPB is giving McGeek all the scenes that Tony used to have. It seemed the whole dealio with Ruby was thrown in just to give McGeek something to do. I'm prejudiced against McGeek so my feelings mean nothing.  His role could be filled by almost any character actor out there, he's not special, but he's probably cheap being a relative. jebus, I'm being such a crybaby but S-2 Dark Angel keeps coming back to me.The important thing to remember is - NCIS has become very big in the ratings and that might be because viewers like to see a cast of dozens of characters. **mutter, mutter** something about the attention span of the average TV viewer. |
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Post by dzero on Jan 18, 2007 14:29:29 GMT -5
Hmmmm the last scene?  I'm going to guess....that the girlfriend doesn't have anything to do directly with the undercover operation but that the people Tony was spying on/tracking/following have become suspicious of him. They follow him and at some point attact/try to kill/capture him and the girlfriend gets killed in the whole mess. All this leading to Tony learning something  .
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Post by shywriter on Jan 18, 2007 21:28:28 GMT -5
I'm going to guess....that the girlfriend doesn't have anything to do directly with the undercover operation but that the people Tony was spying on/tracking/following have become suspicious of him. They follow him and at some point attact/try to kill/capture him and the girlfriend gets killed in the whole mess. All this leading to Tony learning something . Dzero, I agree 100%-- not that we can always count on the show being "honest" in how they show things, but if we can depend on how they have MW playing Tony in relation to Dr. Whazzername, I buy it as a "real" romance. It will build just in time to have her killed off by the bad guys at the heighth of their attraction and in time for the (now) annual spring cliffhanger One PS; while I expect bad guys later, given the info Gibbs laid on Ziva-- am I the only one who thinks the lurking photographer might be Officer David??  (oh, and Aerie-- spectacular photo!) |
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Post by Aerie on Jan 18, 2007 23:12:12 GMT -5
Hmmmmmmmm. I'll have to think about your supposition that Ziva was taking the photos. shywriterOh thanks, shy. I took it last night when we sitting around chit-chatting about where we'll go on vacation this year. |
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Post by Mia22 on Jan 19, 2007 0:41:56 GMT -5
Where are the Michael Weatherly fans here? I’m annoyed to all hell that Sir DPB is rushing this show. Season 3 was amazing, I’d loved Kate and I loved the final half of Season 2, but Ziva was an amazing addition and she and Tony played so well off each other. The whole dynamic of the show was just working, everything (minus the director’s bad hair) was just perfect it made for an hour of totally mindless tv watching.  And then he rushed it...He changed the rules, he changed the dynamics between the characters waaaaaaay before it was necessary and for a guy that seems to just want to put on an entertaining show and not a particularly thought provoking one, it makes NO sense. He’s pushing for longevity so him ending something that’s still at its peak is absurd.  Yea yea Tony’s matured, blah blah blah. I liked the old Tony and Gibbs, I liked the old Tony and McGee and the old Tony and Abby (speaking of which where the hell are the great Tony and Abby scenes? Or the Tony and Ziva? ). Bellisario changed the show because of the S3’s finale and no matter what happens at this point, it can never be reclaimed, it will always be different and that annoys me because it wasn’t time, yes things changed, but it was too much, too soon. Now as for the hot girl with Dzero’s name…
They’re seriously screwed up there. I’m not saying that Tony shouldn’t be with someone, I’m not saying he should be with Ziva (though seriously I’d be down for another undercover episode), I’m saying they FAILED developing that character. They routinely make me feel more for the criminals than they have for her. I do not care if she part of an undercover mission, I do not care anything about it and it annoys the hell out of me. 2 episodes ago when Tony was talking to the door all I was thinking was ‘seriously there is just no need for her or this’ then (this is where the MW fan comes in) he gets lets in and well I ceased thinking for a minute or two.   That’s what annoys me, I should care, I should be having a field day with so much Tony time and sweet, cheesy, unsure Tony, the scene with the dinner outside of the hospital…I was sitting there being annoyed that I didn’t care because seriously, girly girl here, when it comes to this stuff in tv or movies (real life I’d probably end up cracking up for hours) and I was sitting there, the only emotion was annoyed.  I agree though that it’s a real romance, I’m not saying it’s not part of the undercover mission, I’m just saying Tony’s emotions/feelings are true. Now as for this episode: I’ve really got to start paying better attention, I saw the “Life with Bonnie” guy and was like, “killer” then went, “Oh wait, he’s in Iraq.” Yea no he wasn’t and reason I didn’t know that was because I didn’t listen to a word he said. One PS; while I expect bad guys later, given the info Gibbs laid on Ziva-- am I the only one who thinks the lurking photographer might be Officer David?? And that was not Ziva. I don’t know why I’m saying it’s not Ziva, I think it was just the feel of the moment. Though there is totally a good possibility I’m wrong she’ll be playing some mind games with Tony next week while the pictures are neatly tucked away in her desk and she’ll be the one to expose it to the group. If it is her then without a doubt in my mind the doc is part of the mission and that’s how everyone will learn of it. And that is it. My rant is over. Wait! One last thing. I don’t want this Jeanne person to be off-ed as everyone is saying she’s going to be. I am not ready for Tony to turn into Gibbs, everyone remember Ducky’s statement in response to what was Gibbs like, “A lot like Anthony” (or something along those lines). Kate’s death, Gibbs' near death and abandonment, having to become a surrogate father to the rest of the team before being tossed out of power and then a serious love dying on him because of him… Yea no I’m not okay with that as much as I dislike this storyline.  <---And I'm getting off now. |
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Post by dzero on Jan 19, 2007 0:59:37 GMT -5
 -- not that we can always count on the show being "honest" in how they show things One PS; while I expect bad guys later, given the info Gibbs laid on Ziva-- am I the only one who thinks the lurking photographer might be Officer David?? Both these ideas crossed my mind too. Wow we got a real mind meld thing going on ;D. |
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Post by dzero on Jan 19, 2007 1:06:46 GMT -5
And that was not Ziva. I don’t know why I’m saying it’s not Ziva, I think it was just the feel of the moment. Though there is totally a good possibility I’m wrong she’ll be playing some mind games with Tony next week while the pictures are neatly tucked away in her desk and she’ll be the one to expose it to the group. While I think it is possible Ziva was taking the pics, if it was her I don't think they'll reveal it in a fun, pranky kinda way. Her long serious talk with Gibbs on the subject has convinced me of how serious this whole storyline is going to dealt with. They are not going to have any fun with this at all IMO. or should that be IMS? |
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Post by shywriter on Jan 19, 2007 4:58:58 GMT -5
Both these ideas crossed my mind too. Wow we got a real mind meld thing going on ;D.  (I tried to find a Vulcan smilie and the best I could do was  . What's this world coming to??) |
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Post by shywriter on Jan 19, 2007 5:12:58 GMT -5
He changed the rules, he changed the dynamics between the characters waaaaaaay before it was necessary and for a guy that seems to just want to put on an entertaining show and not a particularly thought provoking one, it makes NO sense. He’s pushing for longevity so him ending something that’s still at its peak is absurd. Yea yea Tony’s matured, blah blah blah. Mia, I'm right there with you on your soapbox, especially with Tony & Dr. Sweetiepie, with the characters all around. I was actually excited about how in the early part of the season they let Tony --that "real" Tony so many of us fic writers insist is in there-- be matured, and emerging into a real team leader-- and even in bringing Gibbs back they could have had more of that "Tony stepping back from leader into group" thing. But then suddenly that just evaporated, and he was as ditzy and goofy the next week as always (at least that didn't last.) I am pleased he didn't find a 16 year old cheerleader to sneak off and see, but a (we assume) bright, professional woman. But as you say, she's cardboard, nothing to her... and they've all but pulled the plug on Abs & Ducky. Maybe they realized that the Palmer-Whazzername on-the-clock groping was dumb, but they just dropped them off the show...? I love MW, I do, but how in the world does this remain a top show when they keep stumbling over a good thing? Damn. Oh: and just because:  |
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Post by ML Fan on Jan 19, 2007 13:14:01 GMT -5
He changed the rules, he changed the dynamics between the characters waaaaaaay before it was necessary and for a guy that seems to just want to put on an entertaining show and not a particularly thought provoking one, it makes NO sense. He’s pushing for longevity so him ending something that’s still at its peak is absurd. The dynamics of the show were going to have to change for better or for worse to me when McGee became a regular character. Then when he dated Abby I knew that this was probably going to negatively affect how many scenes we saw with Tony and Abby. I also think that the dynamics of the show changed again when Sasha Alexander/Kate decided to leave NCIS and I thought that this made Tony and the show mature because, he and McGee both knew that it was in their best interest to respect Ziva, whereas, I thought that Tony and McGee just didn't respect Kate as much and that they now seem more like a family with Ziva there and that a lot of the needless childish behavior is no longer there. I think that this show has had some issues with having two strong and competent male lead characters, but, I think that Tony being written inconsistently was nowhere near the problem that it was with Kate. I always keep in mind that when there isn't a murder and or a body that it is likely that we won't be seeing a lot of Ducky in that particular episode. If I am remembering correctly, Palmer is supposed to be going off to medical school or at least it was openly implied by Ducky and so when I hear Ducky say that I did not expect either Palmer or Lee or their storyline to stick around for the long haul. I think that the role of the Director wasn't written in the first place to be a full time role and that the writers have had a hard time giving her something to do that isn't forced or awkward or both. I think that the girlfriend is written like she is because, the writers seem to give the impression that we aren't supposed to get attached to her, even if Tony is and I just keep getting this eerie feeling when and after I see her that something bad will happen to her because of Tony's undercover mission. I think that even though NCIS has a regular cast with too many people without including the Director that MW is clearly one of the favorites of the writers and that while there aren't a lot of new pictures and interviews of and with him that I do try to be happy and grateful for what we do receive and usually this comes in the form of a new NCIS episode. I also keep in mind that people who are fans of an actor or actress may have to wait months or even years to see a new project or see new news and pictures and MW fans are very lucky that he's got a good role on a highly rated and generally well-received hit weekly series. I don't think it would seem right for me to complain about his screen time when I know that fans of some of the other regular characters have it much worse as far as screen time and character development. |
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Post by Aerie on Jan 19, 2007 14:34:19 GMT -5
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His role could be filled by almost any character actor out there, he's not special, but he's probably cheap being a relative. 
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