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Post by X5-442 on Sept 11, 2002 0:49:16 GMT -5
I think Logan being harsh with Max was just what he needed. He's been understanding of everything she's done for the past 2 years, even when he was totally opposed to it. It's about time to see him speak up about how he really feels. Maybe the "I love you" was a bit fast but thier relationship still seems far from 'peachy-keen'. They both bring problems with them that are completely unfamiliar to the other. But knowing Star and Moonshadow, Max and Logan will work it out. Awesome job!!!  |
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Post by iluvaqt on Sept 11, 2002 0:59:54 GMT -5
Here's some reviews I've seen:
Project Manticore - DelphiForums
by Rocky
Well I didn't get a paragraph in when I realized this was going nowhere, sorry to be rude but this was as cliched as it gets in Dark Angel.
He smiled. "They can wait a minute." With his other hand, gloved in white latex, he stroked the black leather covering her fingers. "We've got a lot to make up for, now that we've finally figured out how to hold
hands without me keeling over on you. And without you running away on me."
He said the last with a smile in his voice.
This was really bad, because the show didn't end on such a romantic note and starting it off in such a celebritory manner when it was obviously a somber
moment was not a good start to this story and Logan going right back into the moves was rank.
(scene music: "Don't Say Goodbye" by Paulina Rubio)
I don't think this needs explaination, I've found that when you need to include music the experience suffers, especially when you don't want to play music or you don't have it, having to read it just makes you realize it's a fan fic.
"There . there was no alec. We were never together. I let you think that so you would stay away. I couldn't risk hurting you again. Maybe killing you." She looked up at him then, apprehensive. "I'm sorry, I ."
Now it was Logan's turn to pull away. He released her hand. "You lied to me?"
"It wasn't a lie."
"It wasn't the truth." Logan shook his head, disbelieving. "You let me think . What else have you been letting me think? That you plan on sticking around? That you've got my back? That if this transfusion wears off, it won't be about me being able to walk?"
I'm not qualified to say whether or not this should have happened, it was alright, I could feel the tension in this exchange but it still felt off somehow.
"Oh yeah. Blame Manticore. Blame anyone but yourself."
"Explain something to me. What part of 'If I touch you, you'll die' don't you understand?"
"The part where that gives you the right to walk out on me. Deceive me. Sit there in a junked car and say nothing while I spill my guts. Yeah, Max, you sure know how to look out for me."
"Logan, please. Stop." She reached out, but he stepped back, hands raised in the air, avoiding her touch.
"Don't, Max. It isn't that easy, not this time."
She stared at him, her face pleading. He lowered his hands.
"You'd better go, Max. Manticore, remember? And I'd better find some bleach." He turned and walked to the other fire door. As he opened it, he turned and gave Max a final hard look. Then the door slammed behind him.
She stood for a long time, as the wind snapped the flag and the distant sound of the soldiers' voices carried up from below. The sunrise had long since disappeared behind the gray clouds. And once again, rain threatened.
Having Logan jump on Max at first was somewhat understandable and then it felt like I was watching Max and Sam debating thier sisterness, weak.
Opening scene in act 1, this is what I was waiting for, it was completely what I expected the scene would have included, all the characters were real as they would have appeared on TV that I can see, it was like watching it on TV, very well done.
(continued...)
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Post by iluvaqt on Sept 11, 2002 1:00:56 GMT -5
Seattle City Hall An interesting scene to say the least, I'm very thrilled to see Clemente back in the story, knowing before hand didn't spoil it, again another solid segment to the story and quite beaurocratic. Living Quarters, Terminal City Again in this sequence the dialogue between Sketchy and OC was perfect and to a T, I was somewhat thrown aback by Sketchy's overzealous behaviour and wanting to get rich, I thought that Sketchy had finally gotten over that, so it was alittle disappointing, overall it was brilliant and felt like the show. Gem's Quarters, Terminal City First thing that jumped out at me now is that Terminal City seems to have a premuim of space even though from scenes of the show we know that space is limited, so how can people have quarters? seems to perfect. The Rec Center, Terminal City Well a fairly realistic scene, alec and Mole seem quite true to their TV personalities, Mole seemed quite confrontational toward Max and I think that's good, be interested to see if it develops, the deflated tension with the strip poker remark was well timed, I knew it was coming but still quite good. Some continuity errors I noticed, they can't exactly use the sewers to get in an out, as Mole pointed out in Freak Nation the sewers would be barricaded, Logan as well couldn't leave the area, not without help at least if he did leave, that was somewhat in dispute when I read the end. Command Center, Terminal City Questions about Logan are answered. But more questions arose, amid all the chaos going on about the command center it was hard to gauge whether Logan had PMS of simply a bad case of the runs but his attitude stunk and I think that his hostility toward alec was somewhat misplaced and considering he knew the truth I think the opposite attitude would be needed. Seattle Sewer System Short. Command Center, Terminal City Another scene that felt like it was right out of the show, loved it. Supply Depot, Terminal City Well that was an interesting scene, I don't think Mole would have been that forthright about stringing Sketchy up, but it's just like him to be a bumbling fool and drop a crate of valued supplies, also I think Mole's comments were genuine of how he feels but I don't think he'd voice it just yet,' Command Center, Terminal City A set up to the next scene, obvious filler, can't help but think that the plot on the sewer ridden Transgens was being pushed along during this scene. Supply Depot, Terminal City Typical Max coming in to save the day..Blah Blah Woof Woog nothing new, nice to see the tenuous relationship between Max and Mole finally coming to a head. End of Act 2 I'll review more later... katerpillar - via e-mail.{Hope you don't mind my sharing, pb.  } okay...so the site...awesome...the clip...pretty cool...the prologue...what the heck! psht...and i have no kimmy to yell at max and logan about either! well...i got piskatoon (friend of mine) to read it with me...so i'm waiting for her to finish and then i'll yell at max and logan with her...psht...and you know..there is no side i can really take either cause i see why max did it and i see why logan got pissed... but still...he didn't have to just walk on out her! psht...this solves nothing kimmy, this solves nothing! me 'gain...i'm reading act III at the moment...so far i like....<nods> it's good. |
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Post by Abregaza on Sept 11, 2002 5:12:01 GMT -5
I loved it,
that's about all i'm gonna say 'cause i don't wanna over analyze
can't wait till next week
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Post by Scirta on Sept 11, 2002 7:02:02 GMT -5
Awesome stuff! The few nitpicks I have, like the "I love you" or Logan's attitude towards alec have already been mentioned and don't make the episode less gorgeous. I used bad grammar, I know, but hey, I'm too struck by that ep to concentrate now.
The site is wonderful, loved the little intro vid. Kinda tough to find the entrance, though, think it took me about 15 seconds of clicking all over the place and swearing at the comp and at myself. That built up the expectation a lot. You know how to drive a reader crazy! Great stuff again! ;D
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Post by Kasman on Sept 11, 2002 7:09:25 GMT -5
To answer, Lelu, yes, I did find Logan a little harsh at first. Afterall, this is the guy who responded to Max's confession of having sex with another guy in Meow by saying: "You have nothing to be sorry for...or ashamed of. I know who you are." However, that being said, they have, between the two of them, had a hellacious 2 years and a little anger, even storming off in a huff, is probably justified. It's about time he stopped acting like a saint (lol) and started acting like a human being. And I can't help but add that pissy Logan is one of my favourite things in life  . Overall, terrific work guys. I'm looking forward to next week.  ;D |
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Post by DarkAngel9019 on Sept 11, 2002 7:26:57 GMT -5
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Post by Lelu on Sept 11, 2002 9:52:21 GMT -5
Kimmy, Thanks for tracking down the reviews for us. do you think ypou could post Urls. Im too lazy to track them down myself. You know the writers they live for reviews!!!   |
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Post by Queen_Gwenyvere on Sept 11, 2002 10:02:01 GMT -5
^^no, i would have made him much more hurtful to max but then i'm a bitch ;D you're just a jaded, cynical woman, right hun? |
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Post by Scribbled_Musings on Sept 11, 2002 10:02:10 GMT -5
scirta: LOL--that was the intention. Sort of unfamiliar titles were put just so that the visitor would be kind of "coerced" into exploring other areas of the site. I thought it would have been kind of dry if I had put straightforward titles. To a certain degree, the goal was to create an atmosphere of being in some kind of top-secret facility . Believe me, if I were to release the original idea I had planned about 1-2 months ago, the reader would have been a little more confused and wondered if they are in the correct site; it took on a story of its own. That idea was nixed due to time constraints, limited equipment and manpower. I like dynamic, interactive, and atmospheric websites--I want the visitor to be closer to the experience.
Maybe I should put up a user's guide to the website. ;D
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Post by orchidee on Sept 11, 2002 10:14:13 GMT -5
you're just a jaded, cynical woman, right hun? i'm jaded orchid ;D softly bittersweet , hug me ;D ;D i feel better knowing others felt "off" the same thing as me though maybe i'm not THAT jaded  *wishful thinking* |
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Post by Lelu on Sept 11, 2002 10:21:13 GMT -5
i'm jaded orchid ;D softly bittersweet , hug me ;D ;D i feel better knowing others felt "off" the same thing as me though maybe i'm not THAT jaded *wishful thinking* Ahh but I know better. I know the real Frenchie.. He he he the stories I could tell!!!  |
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Post by Lelu on Sept 11, 2002 10:25:40 GMT -5
Just one more question before I go to work. ;D
Did alec deserve the treatment he got? He was made the bad guy without his knowing. He was going to tell Logan about the lie but Logan wouldn't let him. I think that alec needs to have someone cut him some slack. Anyone else think that?
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Post by Scirta on Sept 11, 2002 10:36:30 GMT -5
Yes, Lelu, I thought so, too. I hope once he has made up for his hybris, he'll get some slack. I think being made the scape goat is part of his character to some extent. Can't remember where, but he said it himself in some episode.
Scrib:As I said, you know how to drive a reader crazy - and we love you for it. ;D
Rummaging through the stuff on the site was great, it's original and fun. But to keep "in character": Aveta's profile doesn't have her pic on it, even though it appears in the character list.
Darn, now you made me want to pick up some web design courses.... That "original idea" thingie sounds good.
Don't think you need a reader's guide. After all, the writers have worked hard enough to write it, the reader should do some work, too. And it really builds up the tension. It's like the reader's quest for VS3. Just like the M&L relationship, it's no fun if you get it spoon fed to you. The looking, searching, mumbling and cursing are part of the quest, an adventure in itself.
You really have to imagine the reader coming on the site where he has patiently waited until 9PM (well, not me, but others), trembling with excitement and anticipation. Wow, it's finally there. Ok. But where? Click. Click. Darn! Double click. Reload. Right click. Click again. &/%/?]! Finally!. The long awaited and yearned for vault of wonderfic has opened. But where's the ep? Click again. great. Wonderful, but not what he's looking for right now. More. Where???!!!! There it is. Prologue. Where's the rest? More. More. Next. It's done!!!? Nooooo..... What an ending!
Yay, teaser! Let's review. Now, where was that guestbook? Yes, the high security stuff, where was it again? Glad I studied Latin. Whew! And at the end you just want to hug the whole site, everybody who worked for VS3 and the cast and crew, too. Well, maybe not necessarily in that order. ;D
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Post by Aerie on Sept 11, 2002 11:09:18 GMT -5
I didn't think much of Rocky from DelphiForums review because he writes just to criticize, not really review. He wants VS3 to be like season 2. Ugh.
This VS3 has a season one feel to it. I love it.
I stopped reading movie reviews when I was 15 yrs old. I realized then that reviewers knew they would only be read if they inspired controversy.
I hope others will post links to reviews.
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