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Post by orchidee on Apr 2, 2002 7:26:14 GMT -5
i came late into DA, what drove me in is max, manticore "toying" with dna sequence, broken world and EO trying to make some good
m&l were in the background, obviously going to hook up at some point, learning from each other,growing , being more responsible (for max), being less *moral* (for logan)
i loved the darl atmosphere, how people can be so dark that one loves to dislike them on some grounds but still find them touching (max , logan, deck, even bruno)
this season is too light in all sense i can think of. da s1 was a kicking concept , a great formula s2 reminds me too much of buffy alas
since i dont recognize what i'm seeing and i'm not entertained (besides HL and some scenes in various eps), i'm much more of a shipper than when i saw s1 for the first time
i still think that it can be as kicking as before, but imo, they got to get read of the tows and familiars plots jmo
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Post by Star on Apr 2, 2002 8:26:16 GMT -5
So what do you think about the human/transgen conflict plot idea?
If they dumped the familiars or really played that down could the human/transgen conflict work as a central plot point? Is it enough to sustain interest for a season or 2?
They need something since they were so fast ( too fast IMO) to get rid of Manticore.
Or do you guys think it's too X-Men?
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Post by orchidee on Apr 2, 2002 10:25:53 GMT -5
i just got 1 min
* i think manticore , the committee still exist * i think they got equivalents of sorts in the world * human vs x, is fine by me , its either humans killing xs and vice versa, either humans using xs in another way than weapons (to develop medical research FOR humans, making the xs guinea pigs-slaves of sorts, hence they'll be hunted down yet again) * not too x men for me, even though there may be a time the xs may have to be openly considered as a new race, and not only human creations , and ask for some protection by the law - constitution, it doesnt sound x men ish for me the xs are the result of experiments, they represent one thing that might happen if-when scientists forget ethics for what i remember of the x men, they are born the way they are (except for some of course) nor the xs and the x men ever had a choice to be what-who they are, they have to find a way to accept themselves and others
i type fast under pressure
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Post by Mocha on Apr 2, 2002 12:31:32 GMT -5
The whole "Max is different and this is how it has fucked up her life" thing got me interested. You just described me perfectly. I realized that they're going to end up together no matter what, but it would kill the show if they were a couple the rest of the time. the only reason I don't ship M/L any more is because once they got their feelings out in the open and everything, the banter etc stopped, which was what got me hooked in the first place.. I dunno, it's sort of obvious that they're going to have other relationships any pairing on DA is OK by me as long as it's not pushed to the forefront of the show or is sappy as hell... I don't watch to see who Max or Logan is screwing
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Post by Mocha on Apr 2, 2002 12:33:28 GMT -5
So what do you think about the human/transgen conflict plot idea? If they dumped the familiars or really played that down could the human/transgen conflict work as a central plot point? Is it enough to sustain interest for a season or 2? Max vs. the world would be neat. The Fam plot line isn't too bad...Manticore would obviously need someone to clean up the mess that Max made when she let everyone out
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Post by orchidee on Apr 2, 2002 12:48:45 GMT -5
the fam plot is lame imo useless , pointless, BORING no interest in it whatsoever it belongs to an ed wood movie manticore didnt send a fam to clean the mess the fams seem to be everywhere and act upon the order of the fam community they are not manticore from exposure we figure that sandeman-manticore wasnt controlled by the fams involved into the cult is that thread spoiler free coz throwing specs here might not be appropriate then ^^i prefer to ask before speculating myself anyhow the fam plot bores me to death, i hope it gets wrapped up fast so the focus can be on the human - x aspect since i wish other kind of x programs exist outside the world , i'd like to see them explored and developped (not related to the coming that ray mentionned in exposure) will all humans of the planet want to get rid of the xs, kill them or whatever will the xs fight to have their own "country", citizenship of sorts, etc will a melting pot of sorts happen and at what cost ? edit: the virus put the spotlight on the relationship aspect destroying its chemistry i dont care about "in the end" , i watch for the journey and the virus put a full stop at it they didnt need the virus to have m&l apart max has been through what is for her hell : manticore she needed time to re adjust logan would have drowned himself to EO work and looking for more about manticore to destroy its core , not only one location he would have been patient, she would have suffered from manticore torture-re indoctrination symptoms they would have investigated together about manticore, the pulse , corruption pulling them apart emotionally could have been done but the physical route has been choosen : blaaaaaaaaaaaa jmo
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Post by Aerie on Apr 2, 2002 13:05:59 GMT -5
So many shippers are like me. It just crept up little by little during S-1. I love the little moments between Max and Logan that we've had this season. Tiny gems in most eps, even MITM, the ep I disliked most had a nice beginning. They had a sweet chemistry in Radar Love and Gill Girl. The end of FG was very sweet. How perceptive of Mia to recognize their love for each other. Lets not forget Asha in BT. To alec, "Now that, my friend, is true love." Even alec toward the end of BT, made sure Max and Logan had their little time together. alec recognizes their love for each other. The two best writers, Jose Molina and Rob Doherty, are involved in writing upcoming eps. Hopefully they'll be able to give us a little of what we want and need.
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Post by SisterMoon on Apr 2, 2002 13:23:29 GMT -5
Hi Mocha. The universal reaction to S2 Max and Logan seems to be some combination of boredom and frustration but I attribute that to the fact that they never were together without the virus -- unless you count about 30 seconds of AJBAC. If S2 began with them reunited and living in genteel poverty in the penthouse saving the world together, and that was boring, I could understand why people might change or drop their ship. But S2 began with them separated by the virus and that, IMO (and a lot of other folks think so too) is what hurts the relationship and the show. It's keeping them apart that has been a problem, not keeping them together. BT and HL were SO good because for once they weren't just sitting there moping about the virus. THAT's where the problem lies, I believe. Would putting them together REALLY be more dull than endless virus angst? HL proves otherwise.
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Post by Forever_Eyes on Apr 2, 2002 15:55:26 GMT -5
edit: the virus put the spotlight on the relationship aspect destroying its chemistry i dont care about "in the end" , i watch for the journey and the virus put a full stop at it they didnt need the virus to have m&l apart max has been through what is for her hell : manticore she needed time to re adjust logan would have drowned himself to EO work and looking for more about manticore to destroy its core , not only one location he would have been patient, she would have suffered from manticore torture-re indoctrination symptoms they would have investigated together about manticore, the pulse , corruption pulling them apart emotionally could have been done but the physical route has been choosen : blaaaaaaaaaaaa jmo Ahhh, if only that had been they way s2 went. The virus has caused many of the fans to stop cheering for DA's main characters - a serious problem, if you ask me (alas, they didn't ) DA s1 wasn't about the ship, it was about the whole package. DA s2 is about the ship because their isn't a consistent, intelligent whole package.
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Post by Star on Apr 2, 2002 15:57:29 GMT -5
Gentle reminder here guys - the title of this thread is "I don't ship..."
Don't know how it started but the point of this thread is to discuss anything else but the ship. We have threads for M/L shippers.
So back to the discussion at hand about the humans vs transgens and stop boring our non shipper posters whose thread this is ! ;D
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Post by SisterMoon on Apr 2, 2002 16:01:27 GMT -5
Shipping is neither here nor there. What we really need is some decent plots. M/L shippiness is secondary to the story, which has been seriously lacking in S2. Good point, Kasman. So what would be a decent plot? Fans everywhere are asking for: Return to darkness Get Manticore back into the mix Whatever happened to Max's brothers and sisters? I'm going to confess something now that I was too shy to say over there. I love the way religious symbolism gets worked into the stories. They hardly ever hit you over the head with it, but I never saw a TV show do that sort of thing before and make it look cool. There. Now you know one of my deep dark DA secrets.
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Post by orchidee on Apr 2, 2002 16:20:42 GMT -5
star; i was answering u and then i meant to explain why i turned a shipper *slaps head* oh well, i'm the OT girl right being a hard core atheist, the religious bits in da bug the nuts out of me since i really dont see the need of them in a SCIENCE fiction show formerly based on reality pollo loco was the hardest ep to find for dwl, all actors did a great job , but the blue lady thing made me sick same with gill girl and the whole prayer-chapel-nuns things, i really felt nauseous maybe if all religions and mainstream philosophies were equally represented on tv (in good and bad so to speak), i wouldnt mind so much alas its not the case and any religious bits drive me crazy can u tell that i'm not a 7th heaven fan i respect ur point though
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Post by Aerie on Apr 2, 2002 19:28:32 GMT -5
Whoops. Wrong thread. I guess I took a wrong turn.
Where is Father Destry? I need to go to confession.
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Post by SisterMoon on Apr 2, 2002 19:35:06 GMT -5
It's cool, frenchie. I do watch 7th Heaven but mostly because my daughter's really into it. I'd be fine too with ANY religious symbolism, used creatively and respectfully. I guess the writers know the most about Christianity so they use that ... lots of New Testament stuff ... but there was the raven in AJBAC, nice pagan stuff. I can probably think of more if I try. Aerie, ask the good Father to pray for some patience for us all tonight!
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Post by houston on Apr 2, 2002 19:51:06 GMT -5
hehe
Are we taking over the non ship thread.
So to get back on topic, I actually like the concept of the human v. Transgenic tension/storyline. I find that it relates to real life and is very believeable you know how a majority treates those that are different from them or perceive to be a threat to them. The human reaction to the transgen is very realitisc and not glossed over. The emotional impact on everyone should, if done right, provide some character growth for everyone involved whether they are human or transgenic. So unless they totally screw up the storyline I think it could actually be good.
Oh and one other thing, I hope we get both prospectives. Not just transgenics are being targeted and hunted down, but why the humans feel the need to do so. Which is fear of the unknown and what it means to them. I know DA has gone totally transgenic this season, but it would be nice to see the effects on the human, ie. Logan, Sketchy, OC & Normal. And frrom looking at the end of Freak Nation, looks like it might actually happen.
In fact, this is a storyline which I actually expected to be on DA at some point in time. It actually seems like a natural progression. The whole familiar stuff is what does not interest me anymore and is downright unbelieveable. And I won't even go there about he TOWs. That is for another discussion.
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