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Post by SisterMoon on May 10, 2002 16:53:33 GMT -5
After the Gold Rush Neil Young
Well I dreamed I saw the knights in armour coming
Saying something about a queen
There were peasants singing and
drummers drumming
And the archer split the tree
There was a fanfare blowing
to the sun
That was floating on the breeze
Look at Mother Nature on the run
in the nineteen seventies
I was lying in a burned out basement
with the full moon in my eyes
I was hoping for replacement
When the sun burst thru the sky
There was a band playing in my head
and I felt like getting high
I was thinking about what a
friend had said
I was hoping it was a lie
Well I dreamed I saw the silver
space ships flying
In the yellow haze of the sun
There were children crying
and colors flying
All around the chosen ones
All in a dream, all in a dream
The loading had begun
All in a dream, all in a dream
The loading had begun
They were flying Mother Nature's
silver seed to a new home in the sun
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Post by hallenwen on Jun 13, 2002 10:54:10 GMT -5
One other thing. I'm not really proficient when it comes to season 2, I seem to remember a snake somewhere, maybe you can tell me if this has a point. The speaker said that a cat is present in the images showing Ra as he kills Apophis/Apep, the snake god. On Apophis: "An Egyptian monster living in perpetual darkness. This snake god is the chief of the antagonists of the sun god Re and each night he tries to stop the sun god's barque on his journey through the underworld. In the struggle between light and darkness, the monster is wounded by the divine entourage of Re with knives and spears. Apep is the personification of darkness, evil, and chaos. Occasionally, the battle was decided in his favor, causing a solar eclipse, but his victories were of short duration for Re always triumphed in the end. Eventually, Apep was slain by Re, who cut up his body and burned it. The Greeks referred to him as Apophis" From:http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/apep.html What else ? Yes. The cat images/representations of Bast are very often shown under a chair. Not just at someone's feet but under a chair. The domesticated version of Bast wears a necklace. I'm going overboard here, so I'll stop. I liked the Bast discussion. I was thinking regarding this thing between Ra and Apopthis is not merely between Logan (considered as Ra) and White (or Familiars). Remember how we always thought that Max and Logan make up Dark Angel and not just Max? Well, if you observe national geographic or you live near the woods or go out for hiking often, it is about common knowledge that when cats and snakes meet they always fight - in much the same way that dogs also fight snakes. Thing with Max (as the Bast), she protects, avenges, and destroys every evil that the snake in season2 symbolizes. This is the reason why White wants to kill her. Logan is seen as Ra. Remember Joshua's blood? I think we could concclude that however normal Logan is, he had acquired some of Joshua's K9 blood/DNA. This makes him all the more an enemy of the snake of White and the Familiars. Remember also that dogs are men's best friends. As EO (including everything that has already been said before). Logan, having the K9 DNA is cements the idea that he will continue protecting mankind, not just the downtrodden. Bein Ra, he will defeat Apopthis or the Familiars. But Logan is not immune to the bite of the snake since he IS NOT a human transgenic. Thus, there is the need for the Bast, in the form of Max, to protect him. One more thing. I liked the discussion of Max being a meesenger in Art Atatck anf the Biblical reference. By S1ep3, always thoguht that JC had wanted the underlying reference to the Bible. Angels have always been considered as messengers (which is why I am curious why they names the show "Angel" as Angel when he does not deliver messages, but helps people directly). They help people, but they do not help people by directly intervening. In the case of Max, she helps people - yes she directly intervenes, but then she is a DARK ANGEL - one we are not sure (if we base it on the name alone) of whether she is good or bad. At the same time, her interventions are mostly done FOR Eyes Only. She is NOT Eyes Only. This means that she still acts as a messenger. And then there's the Logan reference regarding "walking on water." Biblically, Christ walked on the water. Peter saw him and wanted to walk on it too and so Christ asked him to come over to him. But as Peter was nearing Christ, he thought about himself walking ON awter and began to sink in. He then cried out for Christ to help him. In the story, Christ reprimanded Peter for his little faith. This maybe too far fetched, but if we take that symbolically, we could way that Logan had taught Max to "walk on water" in the same way that Max had taught Logan to do so as well. Max was taught about being able to trust people and helping them out, while Logan was taught about being able to trust people and having more faith that his physical abilities are not what attracted Max to him.
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Post by hallenwen on Jun 13, 2002 11:07:17 GMT -5
And then I also thought about the Black and white symbolism of Logan and Max holding hands.
There are some people who see reality as either black or white. trangenics are bad vs peole are good.
and then max and Logan holding hands tightly can bespeak of nothing really making it as black or hite when it comes to human beings - be it trasngenics or ordinaly people. We cannot just say that transgenics are bad nor that people are good, but each person has a good or bad side to them. These good and bad aspects make them one human being.
Then I also remember the snakes. The biblical reference to the snake is that it had (as a serpent) enticed men to commit the most grievous sin against God. The snake was punished such that it crawls on the ground. There was also a promise of a lady crushing it's head in the person of Mary. the usual stature is of Mary carrying Baby Jesus as she steps on the snake's head.
If we put this in DA, we could see that Max (as the protector of Ra like Mary protects her children) is out there to crush the Familiars. Logan as (Ra or even to take him as somewhat a savior like Max) is there to help Max "crush" the Familiars. All in all, they save mankind.
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Post by SisterMoon on Jun 13, 2002 11:22:23 GMT -5
Now take the Mary symbolism full circle.
The X-5s believed in the Blue Lady as children. They prayed to her for protection. And her statue was in the chapel in Gill Girl when Max prayed for Logan.
But it's Max who is the real Blue Lady, who protects the X-5s. She gave Ben what he asked for in Pollo Loco when Manticore was closing in, and she has protected everyone, not just the X-5s but all the transgenics and Logan too, as much as she can. She is a darker and more flawed version of the Blue Lady/Mary.
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Post by hallenwen on Jun 13, 2002 11:39:11 GMT -5
SM. I thought about that too, only Max is not just the Blue Lady of the X5s, She's a messenger - the runes on her body are messages to decode, and she's the One who will crush the Familiars. As such, she protects everyone, without her knowing (as Mary did not fully know her part in the redemption).
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Post by Scirta on Jun 13, 2002 12:06:10 GMT -5
I watched Fn last night instead of writing the last chapter of my research paper.
I'm not sure of the Mary symbolism, but I love the messenger part. It hadn't been too clear to me up to now, not having seen season 2. Now I finally got it and it crushed me. The whole ep of FN crushed me in fact. Have to go check out the ep discussion.
Why I love those hands clasped together so much is that they really show, just as you say, hallenwen, not good and bad or human and transgenic but the sides of the same thing, yin and yang. max and Logan complete each other in every respect. Only together they are strong. And only through Logan could Max decipher the message she was carrying.
He taught her all about the "walking on water" and she did too.
Notice the II story line to ajbac? There Logan talks to Lydecker, it goes smth like this: "you must be pumped seeing them go into battle/ it's what they were made for" Lydecker is proud of Max and the other x5s. Now it's Logan's turn to be proud. First season was all about the military stuff, second about emotional things. Like MW said, 2 sides. (Yeah, well, I wished the second season had been like the first, I wish we had season 3, I wish M/L were together, but it's too late to change it now, just have to take it as it is) .And I was kinda pleased with the way the series ended, all things considered. Could have been a lot worse.
One more thing. I liked the way the flag was put up II to the Space needle. First you could see the SN, then both flag and SN, then just the flag. One made by humans, symbol of the old civilization before the pulse, the other just a makeshift symbol of the new transgens. The new has replaced the old. Max doesn't need the Sn anymore, to sit there above the others. She is in the middle of things, participating in them.
God I don't know how I'll survive without DA to obsess about, no other show does that to me....
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Post by hallenwen on Jun 19, 2002 13:37:39 GMT -5
i don't knwo how we'll all survive
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Post by Aerie on Jun 20, 2002 1:37:38 GMT -5
i don't knwo how we'll all survive I am barely surviving. I'm doing it by thinking Jim Cameron will finish the Dark Angel story he started. We know he wants to finish it. I want it so badly that I believe if we work effectively to get some media response, it just might happen.
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Post by Star on Jun 20, 2002 8:36:38 GMT -5
Paypal is up for donations and so is the PO Box. If we start getting enough donations we can do the Hollywood Reporter ad or ads which I personally think we should slant towards Jim Cameron.
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