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Post by ML Fan on May 8, 2009 21:09:33 GMT -5
Have you seen "Semper Fidelis?" Tell us what you thought. There are spoilers and discussion on our sister site NCIS Special Ops, if you're interested.
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Post by Michele on May 9, 2009 1:57:43 GMT -5
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Post by ML Fan on May 12, 2009 21:23:38 GMT -5
I thought that overall that this was a good episode and I think that Tony had plenty of cause for arresting Michael Rivkin and if Tony wasn't going to be the one to arrest him someone else would've arrested him soon enough in my opinion. I hope that TPTB and writers give Tony and Ziva the time and chance to rebuild their trust in one another and not rush that storyline, but, I don't think I'm going to get that wish. I really didn't care for Jules and hope that is the last we see of her. Next week's episode looks good, but, we shall see, because TPTB does have a history of not living up to the hype as far as Season Finales.
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Post by Michele on May 12, 2009 21:48:51 GMT -5
I agree on the Season finale thing ML Fan. Just look at the Season 4 finale.
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Post by shywriter on May 12, 2009 22:28:48 GMT -5
I really didn't care for Jules and hope that is the last we see of her. Yeah, didn't you think that whole sub-plot with her was kind of weird? I mean, let's say they didn't have the whole Tony-Ziva thing in this episode, but that this was just a mid-season episode which had a crime to solve, plus had Jules in on things as a plot interest -- the males flirting with her & the females sparking for a cat fight. Okay, maybe that would have made an interesting episode if she'd been a more exciting/interesting character. And I don't know that actress at all, but all the scenes with her were pretty 'meh,' it seemed. Maybe she's better looking to a guy, but when she showed up and Tony sort of stared as if she were the hottest babe on the planet -- I just wondered if he suddenly needed a reboot. BUT to put all that in when they were also balancing all the back story plot, the suddenly-who-cares-what's-in-Vance's-file thing, the war with the Mossad -- they could have tossed the whole ICE things and spent more time on the rest... Hey, but other than all that (which really is a small gripe in the scheme of things) this was pretty cool -- I need to watch it a few more times so I can stop just ogling MW and figure out what actually happened!  |
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Post by ML Fan on May 12, 2009 22:30:15 GMT -5
I agree on the Season finale thing ML Fan. Just look at the Season 4 finale. "Angel Of Death" was the worst episode of "NCIS" bar none in my opinion. It would've been okay, guess if it had aired during a non-sweeps period but, absolutely nothing happened in that episode and I think that the episode needed to be renamed to start with among other things.   I wasn't surprised that Jenny was killed off last Season either because, it seemed like TPTB didn't really know what to do with her on an every day basis and they still have the same issue with Vance but, it's not the actress or actor's fault, it's just bad writing and it's not some secret that the it was a bad idea to make the director a series regular in my opinion. I wasn't surprised that Kate was the one killed off either because, I think her character was ignored toio unless she was with Tony and or Gibbs. I get the impression that Shane Brennan is into his own hype. I haven't been impressed with either Season 4 or Season 5's Season Finales because, in Season 4 nothing happened and in Season 5, I already had a good idea as to who was leaving without watching the episode and so there was no real suspense in the last two Season Finales to me, even though I know it was the TPTB and Shane Brennan's intent something was missing from the Season Finales during the last two years. I would like Ziva and Tony to have the chance and time to learn to trust each other again and I don't want to see that rushed and I'm sorry but, forgiveness especially with two people like Tony and Ziva who can be stubborn doesn't and shouldn't realistically happen overnight. |
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Post by ML Fan on May 12, 2009 22:38:30 GMT -5
I really didn't care for Jules and hope that is the last we see of her. Yeah, didn't you think that whole sub-plot with her was kind of weird? I mean, let's say they didn't have the whole Tony-Ziva thing in this episode, but that this was just a mid-season episode which had a crime to solve, plus had Jules in on things as a plot interest -- the males flirting with her & the females sparking for a cat fight. Okay, maybe that would have made an interesting episode if she'd been a more exciting/interesting character. And I don't know that actress at all, but all the scenes with her were pretty 'meh,' it seemed. Maybe she's better looking to a guy, but when she showed up and Tony sort of stared as if she were the hottest babe on the planet -- I just wondered if he suddenly needed a reboot. BUT to put all that in when they were also balancing all the back story plot, the suddenly-who-cares-what's-in-Vance's-file thing, the war with the Mossad -- they could have tossed the whole ICE things and spent more time on the rest... Hey, but other than all that (which really is a small gripe in the scheme of things) this was pretty cool -- I need to watch it a few more times so I can stop just ogling MW and figure out what actually happened! Jules could be the new recurring agent, yay! Yes, shywriter, she was boring and that's exactly why I don't want to see her again. It seemed like something that was cut out of a previous episode and maybe it could've worked earlier in a Season but, it was really awkward right now because there are other more pressing storylines than this one and it seemed liked it was written just to give McGee something to do. |
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Post by Michele on May 12, 2009 22:55:26 GMT -5
Not sure if I want to watch the ep on youtube or wait until the end of the year. lol.
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Post by dzero on May 12, 2009 23:18:43 GMT -5
5 card draw? Overall I liked this episode, good to have NCIS back after those last two eps of whatever the hell that was  |
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Post by Mr.Clark on May 13, 2009 0:37:36 GMT -5
Maybe she's better looking to a guy, Honestly, not so much and I tend to favor brunettes a lot. |
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Post by shywriter on May 13, 2009 3:08:55 GMT -5
Maybe she's better looking to a guy, Honestly, not so much and I tend to favor brunettes a lot. Ha, during the elevator scene with Tony, Ziva & Jules, hubby (who rarely pipes up mid-show) said "you know, if she weren't standing right there by Ziva, she might be good looking." And this from someone who has always been true-blue for Abs...  |
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Post by Michele on May 13, 2009 4:24:12 GMT -5
I want to see the fight.
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Post by Michele on May 13, 2009 6:00:34 GMT -5
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Post by aurora2424 on May 13, 2009 14:30:30 GMT -5
Hey, I hope you don't mind me jumping into the conversation. I think like a few others here, the charms of MW have lured me into NCIS. I've both netflix the previous seasons and become a regular watcher of season 6.
So I'm not sure what the shipper tendencies or rules are regarding this board, but I'll be honest in saying I'm a bit of fan of Tony and Ziva. Probably because Ziva has a few characteristics that remind me of Max - emotional distance, an ability to butt, an ability to survive through a rough past. Anyway, I have a question/comment that isn't necessarily shipper in nature - but is more related to workings of the show.
It's been a while since I've followed an in-progress show, but I'm finding there to be a big disconnect between the promotion of the show and the show itself. Its almost like SB recognizes there is a faction of the audience that enjoys the Tony/Ziva relationship (I'm not big fan of joining the names) and despite taking the show in a different direction thinks he can psyche those fans out with tricky word puzzles and glossy pictures of the stars (not to say that pictures of MW are not appreciated) into thinking something is pro-relationship it going on, when its kind of unrelated or the opposite. Like we can't tell the difference between headlines and storylines.
I have no problem if he wants to take his show down a certain road, but I do have a problem with the misleading (and often odd) chatter. So here's my question to those who've been watching for a while: Am I just totally un-use to the usual press that follows a television show (admittedly I'm more of a reader than a watcher) and this is just par for course? Or is this show really trying to convince two different sets of people (pros and cons for this relationship) that they are both correct simultaneously?
Or perhaps the answer will become clearer next week.
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Post by ML Fan on May 13, 2009 17:55:58 GMT -5
Hey, I hope you don't mind me jumping into the conversation. I think like a few others here, the charms of MW have lured me into NCIS. I've both netflix the previous seasons and become a regular watcher of season 6. So I'm not sure what the shipper tendencies or rules are regarding this board, but I'll be honest in saying I'm a bit of fan of Tony and Ziva. Probably because Ziva has a few characteristics that remind me of Max - emotional distance, an ability to butt, an ability to survive through a rough past. Anyway, I have a question/comment that isn't necessarily shipper in nature - but is more related to workings of the show. It's been a while since I've followed an in-progress show, but I'm finding there to be a big disconnect between the promotion of the show and the show itself. Its almost like SB recognizes there is a faction of the audience that enjoys the Tony/Ziva relationship (I'm not big fan of joining the names) and despite taking the show in a different direction thinks he can psyche those fans out with tricky word puzzles and glossy pictures of the stars (not to say that pictures of MW are not appreciated) into thinking something is pro-relationship it going on, when its kind of unrelated or the opposite. Like we can't tell the difference between headlines and storylines. I have no problem if he wants to take his show down a certain road, but I do have a problem with the misleading (and often odd) chatter. So here's my question to those who've been watching for a while: Am I just totally un-use to the usual press that follows a television show (admittedly I'm more of a reader than a watcher) and this is just par for course? Or is this show really trying to convince two different sets of people (pros and cons for this relationship) that they are both correct simultaneously? Or perhaps the answer will become clearer next week. SB comes across as someone who is into his own hype and he has a history of overhyping the NCIS season finales in particular the last two seasons. I'm part of the group that like Ziva because Tony respects her and geuninely cares about her. I thought that he worked with Kate but, didn't respect her and that the writers and TPTB completely ignored Kate's past and work experience, I am happy that at least Ziva has been developed and given her own storylines without it all being about Tiva and that is what happened in my opinion to Kate, yes, she was on-screen, but, she was rarely the focus in a positive or constructive manner, the only timr that I think many people wrote anything about her was when she was with Tony or Gibbs outside of that I think that she was ignored. |
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I wasn't surprised that Jenny was killed off last Season either because, it seemed like TPTB didn't really know what to do with her on an every day basis and they still have the same issue with Vance but, it's not the actress or actor's fault, it's just bad writing and it's not some secret that the it was a bad idea to make the director a series regular in my opinion. I wasn't surprised that Kate was the one killed off either because, I think her character was ignored toio unless she was with Tony and or Gibbs. I get the impression that Shane Brennan is into his own hype. 
