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Post by ML Fan on May 4, 2011 0:16:37 GMT -5
Have you seen "Swan Song?" Tell us what you thought. There are discussions and spoilers also posted on our sister site NCIS Special Ops if you're interested.
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Post by shywriter on May 10, 2011 20:41:15 GMT -5
Jesse Stern tweeted something about something in this ep being an "out of the box," and, given he's the writer, I took it to mean the way it was written. Well, after first watch -- if what I think he meant is what he meant ... and if they had to do what they did ... then yeah -- wow. Very powerful! Maybe I was too wound up for the ep (I need a life!) but found it taut and well done.
(I honestly can't remember if I ever cried in an NCIS ep before. I teared up a few times in this and at one point, shed a couple real ones.)
Will watch again in a couple hours, just to catch everything I missed the first time! ;D
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Post by mari on May 11, 2011 0:02:45 GMT -5
Jesse Stern tweeted something about something in this ep being an "out of the box," and, given he's the writer, I took it to mean the way it was written. Well, after first watch -- if what I think he meant is what he meant ... and if they had to do what they did ... then yeah -- wow. Very powerful! Maybe I was too wound up for the ep (I need a life!) but found it taut and well done. (I honestly can't remember if I ever cried in an NCIS ep before. I teared up a few times in this and at one point, shed a couple real ones.) Will watch again in a couple hours, just to catch everything I missed the first time! ;D All the teasing and here I have to wait til it's online. ;D  ;D |
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Post by shywriter on May 11, 2011 0:31:01 GMT -5
All the teasing and here I have to wait til it's online. ;D ;D Here I was thinking it would be up by now on CBS's website and I ought to go start it up -- and it's not posted yet! I would think it will be up there any minute now... Just gives me a few more min to get a fic ready to post ;D (no, not DA  ; yes, NCIS  ; no, not related to the finale  ; yes, I'm a dirtbag for caving into writing fic this evening instead of working...  ) |
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Post by Mr.Clark on May 11, 2011 20:00:24 GMT -5
If I recall correctly Stern said something like 'we've either made a really great ep or a really bad one not sure which'. I enjoyed it but was annoyed at times. I'm also not fond of the fact this is the second time we've had an episode built entirely on hallucinating after a character death. Any more and it'll be a trend I'd rather they didn't start.
Also really strange Tiva scene that felt massively OOC for Ziva.
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Post by Mr.Clark on May 12, 2011 5:57:10 GMT -5
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Post by shywriter on May 12, 2011 7:50:04 GMT -5
 Definitely the writer of my own favorite moments -- I think all my examples of "fun interaction among team members" and glib lines within that framework came from him. I'm not hoping that his new project will fail, but if he finds himself needing some work in a few months ...
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Post by shywriter on May 12, 2011 8:07:38 GMT -5
If I recall correctly Stern said something like 'we've either made a really great ep or a really bad one not sure which'. That was what I meant in my post about Stern's comment -- I am assuming it was his use of Mike through the ep. You're apparently not alone, from comments I've seen elsewhere -- but (as someone else has pointed out) it didn't strike me nearly as OOC as did her reaction in the ep in which she was nearly killed by the stalker-murderer when undercover. Putting aside the character issue for a moment, CdP's reaction in autopsy really moved me. She's struck me as uneven with some of her acting, but she seems to have a knack with intensely emotional, angsty scenes. The fairly slow building of her reaction as Franks was being examined was so effective, more so than her tears in the elevator. Both the emotional building and the idea of Ziva having that reaction didn't bother me, exception for her saying that she didn't know if she could take any more. I wholly accept the idea that for whatever reason, all the years and the deaths finally got to her -- anyone can finally have their fill, and even if it seems odd that the final straw was Franks rather than, say, Ari, I have no problem imagining that was largely a matter of timing and where she was emotionally at the time. I do think she could have had better lines in the elevator, expressing her finally reaching a point where it seemed that the bad guys are endless and that their work wasn't having any effect, but with her background and training I suspect she wouldn't be that quick to imply that she would walk away. Of course, maybe this was filmed before her contract was finalized and they wrote in a way for her to leave if she hadn't signed back up? Or some plot bit to lead to next week's dealings with her? All in all, I wouldn't have found the elevator scene so emotional had it not been for Ziva's reaction in autopsy... |
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Post by dzero on May 12, 2011 11:34:03 GMT -5
Ok so I haven't been watching this year but I am curious about what changes have occurred. Did someone die? Anybody want to send me a PM and tell me what the big recent happenings are?
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Post by AngelZ on May 12, 2011 18:42:49 GMT -5
Good point about the contract negotiations. This seems the most logical reason for her OOC statement. All seem to be in a agreement about her strange behaviour in the elevator - and for me even the autopsy scene didn't make it add up. Now if CiRay had have been killed or maimed (and she hadn't had the argument with him), then I think her line would make more character sense. Somehow I don't see the death of Franks being the breaking point for anyone  |
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Post by AngelZ on May 12, 2011 18:53:10 GMT -5
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Post by dzero on May 13, 2011 9:08:12 GMT -5
Thanks  |
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Post by Mr.Clark on May 13, 2011 16:12:38 GMT -5
Definitely the writer of my own favorite moments -- I think all my examples of "fun interaction among team members" and glib lines within that framework came from him. I'm not hoping that his new project will fail, but if he finds himself needing some work in a few months ... Yea, I also think it says quite a bit that when MW got his shot at directing it seemed like Stern was the only writer in contention. He really did get Tony's character really well. |
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Post by shywriter on May 13, 2011 18:38:04 GMT -5
Somehow I don't see the death of Franks being the breaking point for anyone Good point; I guess I just saw it as his death coming at the point when any death might have gotten to her -- of course, a closer person's death would likely have resulted in a more immediate upset; this just felt like it could be a "final straw" moment, especially considering her lines about how the bad guys keep coming, no matter how many they put away. I don't know if anyone else mentioned it, but I would think the team would be keenly aware of what Franks' death would mean to Gibbs. I think I'm glad they didn't go down this road, but it would certainly strike Tony that Gibbs losing Franks would be like Tony losing Gibbs. I would be willing to believe that part of Ziva's upset was her understanding how much Franks' death would affect Gibbs. |
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Post by AngelZ on May 15, 2011 21:18:48 GMT -5
Somehow I don't see the death of Franks being the breaking point for anyone Good point; I guess I just saw it as his death coming at the point when any death might have gotten to her -- of course, a closer person's death would likely have resulted in a more immediate upset; this just felt like it could be a "final straw" moment, especially considering her lines about how the bad guys keep coming, no matter how many they put away. I don't know if anyone else mentioned it, but I would think the team would be keenly aware of what Franks' death would mean to Gibbs. I think I'm glad they didn't go down this road, but it would certainly strike Tony that Gibbs losing Franks would be like Tony losing Gibbs. I would be willing to believe that part of Ziva's upset was her understanding how much Franks' death would affect Gibbs. Yes, I guess I was probably a bit harsh. On reflection, Franks had probably become a part of the Gibbs Family/Team. Ziva would have also been under the belief that P2P had gone to the house to kill Gibbs bringing the whole thing very close to home. |
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