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Post by ML Fan on Feb 4, 2011 19:26:27 GMT -5
Have you seen "A Man Walks Into A Bar?" Tell us what you thought. There are spoilers and discussions also posted on our sister site NCIS Special Ops, if you're interested.
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Post by mari on Feb 10, 2011 0:06:22 GMT -5
I'm tempted to file this under most annoying episode ever, but guess it would be fair to re-watch...   |
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Post by Mr.Clark on Feb 10, 2011 5:42:04 GMT -5
It was annoying at times, and it was slightly silly that without knowing who the Dr was they all jumped straight to flashbacks of Kate despite no one ever mentioning her name. That being said it was kinda kinda nice to see them call back that far, plus MW had some really great scenes.
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Post by AngelZ on Feb 10, 2011 18:18:57 GMT -5
It was annoying at times, and it was slightly silly that without knowing who the Dr was they all jumped straight to flashbacks of Kate despite no one ever mentioning her name. That being said it was kinda kinda nice to see them call back that far, plus MW had some really great scenes. Agreed. I would have enjoyed the ep more if the Dr was less annoying and creepy. Geez lucky for the Dr/sister that everyone said nice things about Kate. If she had have read the Special Ops boards a few years ago she wouldn't have been happy!  I found the use of the joke/riddle annoying. Did it need to be said twice? |
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Post by mari on Feb 12, 2011 0:06:07 GMT -5
I really need to watch again and I didn't do to carefully first time, but this episode just seemed yet another example of taking a sensible concept – the authorities reacting to a team in a high stress environment who recently went through a traumatic event - and then ruin it. How did they get the idea that a psychologist does have to be this type of aggressive, pseudo-tough person, who makes it a point to get into the way of investigation, considering that a good psychologist would learn a lot from just observing the team working? (Hey, at least as much as we hobby-psychologists on the other side of the screen :  It was annoying at times, and it was slightly silly that without knowing who the Dr was they all jumped straight to flashbacks of Kate despite no one ever mentioning her name. My thought exactly. Here they have the whole Somalia drama which apparently was the initial reason for the evaluation and the thing assumably still on everybody's mind... but then the psychologist evokes memories of something unquestionable tragic, but also in a much more distant past that isn't too likely to have a major influence on their present work abilities. In all of them, even Ziva who was barely there. And maybe I'm too fixated on Somalia because I didn't see the sister thing coming, but I think it's another case of them making the plot overly convoluted (instead of properly dealing with the after Somalia issues) and unlikely-overdramatic. (Just like making it seem that Ducky had a relationship with every second woman that steps into his morgue) |
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Post by shywriter on Feb 12, 2011 0:42:46 GMT -5
I really need to watch again and I didn't do to carefully first time, but this episode just seemed yet another example of taking a sensible concept – the authorities reacting to a team in a high stress environment who recently went through a traumatic event - and then ruin it.  Great minds think alike! I just wrote essentially the same sort of complaint (taking a good idea then killing it) on an FFN forum then came here to find this! So ... ditto! Here they have the whole Somalia drama which apparently was the initial reason for the evaluation and the thing assumably still on everybody's mind... but then the psychologist evokes memories of something unquestionable tragic, but also in a much more distant past that isn't too likely to have a major influence on their present work abilities. In all of them, even Ziva who was barely there. And I found myself getting too worried about the details -- as in, she referred to the in-house NCIS psychologists as if she was from an outside group -- well, then, where was she from and why did she get sent? Who if anyone knew who she was, and wouldn't they find her relationship to Kate too close to make her reliable/neutral for such an assessment? If no one knew, how did she get herself into wherever she worked so deeply to allow her to finagle her assignment of choice? And with her being who she was -- a federal agency wouldn't have indulged a fake assessment just to make a relative happy, so we're to assume it was a planned, needed assessment? If so -- she was unprofessional not to admit her connection to someone. All scenes with Vance showed him concerned about the evaluation's outcome and they never played it as if he was in on the secret. If Vance didn't know who she was, did the SecNav? (who also was very concerned about it -- as in, they were restricted from the field until results were in!) We know all-knowing Gibbs figured it out, as did Tony -- does it mean that as soon as you figure out who she is, no more assessment, you passed?  Yeah: more taking a cool idea then tripping over it in a rush to get it on screen. As Mari suggested, it was a cool idea to have a psych assessment on the team members and the group as a unit. Forcing the connection was a sappy twist that might have drawn a few tears but resulted in reality taking a sudden nosedive. |
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Post by mari on Feb 12, 2011 1:26:12 GMT -5
I really need to watch again and I didn't do to carefully first time, but this episode just seemed yet another example of taking a sensible concept – the authorities reacting to a team in a high stress environment who recently went through a traumatic event - and then ruin it. Great minds think alike! I just wrote essentially the same sort of complaint (taking a good idea then killing it) on an FFN forum then came here to find this! So ... ditto! Doubly so, I wrote this here and then got the alert for your FFnet post. ;D |
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Post by ML Fan on Mar 7, 2011 12:39:57 GMT -5
I think Gibbs knew all along that the team was talking with Kate's sister. I did find it interesting that we got to meet Kate's sister when all we ever heard about previously was Kate's brothers. I also thought that Kate's sister came across as a bit creepy in some scenes and I blame that on poor writing. I liked the flash backs and it reinforced to me that "NCIS" was and still is a completely different show after Season 2 and that it is a show that has for the most gotten better over and with time in my opinion.
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