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Post by ML Fan on Oct 9, 2009 21:26:53 GMT -5
Have you seen "Good Cop, Bad Cop?" Tell us what you thought.
There are spoilers and discussions on our sister site NCIS Special Ops, if you're interested.
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Post by AngelZ on Oct 14, 2009 19:26:02 GMT -5
Another episode attracting transpolar opinions. Enjoyed the Tony, McGee and Vance moments. I just roll my eyes at the resolution of the Ziva storyline and I'm too bored with it to hate it. If I think too hard about the ridiculousness of Ziva even being allowed to re-join the team I just get angry - and I'd rather spend my time smiling about the light hearted and humorous moments of the show. I gave it a 7.5 over at Special Ops.
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Post by Mr.Clark on Oct 14, 2009 19:51:43 GMT -5
Another episode attracting transpolar opinions. Enjoyed the Tony, McGee and Vance moments. I just roll my eyes at the resolution of the Ziva storyline and I'm too bored with it to hate it. If I think too hard about the ridiculousness of Ziva even being allowed to re-join the team I just get angry - and I'd rather spend my time smiling about the light hearted and humorous moments of the show. I gave it a 7.5 over at Special Ops. I've known for years that the day of reckoning was coming at some point. The day when the writers would have to try and come up with some sort of ham-fisted solution to the Ziva issue. I just accepted it, at some point they were going to have to just make it happen regardless of the rules of the real world which never applied to this show before. I give them credit for trying to write in so many zigs and zags that when it finally happened and she was officially an agent, I actually lost track of what was happening. The writers on this staff care very little for the real world of the military or the legal system, the only thing I expect of them is to obey the laws of physics. Thats why so far this season the thing that annoys me most is still Gibb's Flash Gordon performance from the season opener. |
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Post by Michele on Oct 14, 2009 19:57:07 GMT -5
Fast National ratings for Tuesday, Oct. 13, 2009
"NCIS" continued its dominance of Tuesday nights and led CBS to another big win in the ratings. Its spinoff, while still strong, is starting to taper off a little.
CBS easily won the night, scoring 16.2 million viewers and a 10.2 rating/16 share in households. ABC (8.8 million, 5.8/9) finished a distant second. FOX (8 million, 4.4/7) edged NBC (7.9 million, 4.9/8) for third. The CW drew 1.9 million viewers and a 1.3/2.
Thanks to the finale of "Hell's Kitchen," FOX led the adults 18-49 demographic with a 3.8 rating, topping CBS' 3.6. NBC came in third with a 2.9, followed by ABC, 2.2, and The CW, 1.0.
Tuesday hour by hour:
8 p.m.
CBS: "NCIS" (20.4 million viewers, 12.4/20 households)
NBC: "The Biggest Loser" (8.4 million, 5.2/8)
FOX: "Hell's Kitchen" season finale (7.7 million, 4.3/7)
ABC: "Shark Tank" (5.4 million, 3.6/6)
The CW: "90210" (2.4 million, 1.6/2)
18-49 leader: "NCIS" (4.4)
9 p.m.
CBS: "NCIS: Los Angeles" (15.3 million, 9.6/15)
ABC: "Dancing with the Stars" results (13.5 million, 8.8/14)
NBC: "The Biggest Loser" (9.5 million, 5.7/9)
FOX: "Hell's Kitchen" season finale (8.2 million, 4.6/7)
The CW: "Melrose Place" (1.4 million, 1.0/2)
18-49 leader: "Hell's Kitchen" (4.0)
10 p.m.
CBS: "The Good Wife" (12.8 million, 8.6/15)
ABC: "The Forgotten" (7.6 million, 5.0/9)
NBC: "The Jay Leno Show" (5.8 million, 3.8/7)
18-49 leader: "The Good Wife" (2.7)
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Post by Michele on Oct 14, 2009 22:30:52 GMT -5
Vance (on the phone with Eli David): I'm not happy about it either, Eli. Gibbs is an awful son-of-a-bitch -- you might think he's a thorn in your side, but he's a pain in my ass!
Eli David: He is a thief for stealing my daughter!
Vance: I know you're upset, I know she's your daughter. I will continue to deal with it. You have to believe -- I am your ally, here.
Eli David: Show me!
Vance: I will deal with Gibbs. But she has chosen to deal with Gibbs, too.
Eli David: This is not the last conversation we will have on this subject!
Vance: Shalom, Eli.
(Eli David slams the phone down.)
Gibbs: (consideringly) Not bad.
Vance: Not bad at all!
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Tony: What's with the sushi bar?
Ducky: Staff Sargeant Cryer's body was not alone on its considerable time adrift.
Tony (grimacing): Yum...
Ducky: That's probably what they said when they were feeding on his flesh.
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Tony: Why do you find it so hard to believe that I could hack that sucker out?
Ziva: You cannot even work your email properly! You always reply to "ALL" -- it drives me absolutely nuts! You know, when it comes to computers, you are almost as incompetent as Gibbs... (She freezes, expecting Gibbs to be behind her.)
Tony: Ha! You thought Gibbs was behind you! You know why? Because sneaky people expect sneakiness -- it's a vicious circle.
.........
Tony: It's like Alien. The Ridley Scott classic, the creepy one. McGee: As opposed to the non-creepy ones?
Tony: Well, Cameron was more action-y than creepy, and Fincher's is more sleepy. Jeunet's? It's sort of a French-fried -- I don't know what they'd call it. Anyway, the point is, I hear skittering through the airducts . . . eeeiiiii, eeeeeiii!
Tony is referring to the 1979 sci-fi horror film Alien, directed by Ridley Scott. Aliens, directed by James Cameron in 1986, Alien 3, directed by David Fincher in 1992, and Alien Resurrection, directed by Jean-Pierre Jeunet in 1997.
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Post by dzero on Oct 14, 2009 23:58:54 GMT -5
I just roll my eyes at the resolution of the Ziva storyline and I'm too bored with it to hate it. my exact reaction, too bored to care  my only enjoyment of in this ep was recognizing Zack from the Gilmore Girls as the bearded NCIS agent ;D Also recognized Dr. Dave from ER as the marine turned mercenary or whatever he was supposed to be  |
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Post by ML Fan on Oct 15, 2009 23:21:31 GMT -5
Another episode attracting transpolar opinions. Enjoyed the Tony, McGee and Vance moments. I just roll my eyes at the resolution of the Ziva storyline and I'm too bored with it to hate it. If I think too hard about the ridiculousness of Ziva even being allowed to re-join the team I just get angry - and I'd rather spend my time smiling about the light hearted and humorous moments of the show. I gave it a 7.5 over at Special Ops. I've known for years that the day of reckoning was coming at some point. The day when the writers would have to try and come up with some sort of ham-fisted solution to the Ziva issue. I just accepted it, at some point they were going to have to just make it happen regardless of the rules of the real world which never applied to this show before. I give them credit for trying to write in so many zigs and zags that when it finally happened and she was officially an agent, I actually lost track of what was happening. The writers on this staff care very little for the real world of the military or the legal system, the only thing I expect of them is to obey the laws of physics. Thats why so far this season the thing that annoys me most is still Gibb's Flash Gordon performance from the season opener. I also thought that for years that this day when the writers would have to deal with Ziva wanting to be an NCIS agent. I also knew that the writers were going to make it happen eventually with no reguard to what occurs in the real world with legal and or military systems and it never really applied before so I didn't expect that to change now. I simply accepted it a long time ago and so I wasn't disappointed or unhappy with the logic of what happened in this episode. |
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Post by shywriter on Oct 17, 2009 9:42:58 GMT -5
Another episode attracting transpolar opinions. Enjoyed the Tony, McGee and Vance moments. I just roll my eyes at the resolution of the Ziva storyline and I'm too bored with it to hate it. If I think too hard about the ridiculousness of Ziva even being allowed to re-join the team I just get angry - and I'd rather spend my time smiling about the light hearted and humorous moments of the show. I gave it a 7.5 over at Special Ops. After seeing this 1.5 times and reading the wildly differing opinions from the two opposing camps at Special Ops, I think my response is just a duplication of everything you said here! I loved 7.01. Since then, I've been lukewarm -- there have been a lot of good moments, but the resolution with Ziva and that whole arc hasn't been what I'd hoped for (not looking for Tiva, really, just -- maybe something tighter, more intense, then on with things.) In comparison with the several episode end and start from S5 to S6, I was much less satisfied -- for S5-6, it didn't bug me at all to have a 4-part-plus arc to resolve Jenny's death, get Tony back, and ultimately find the mole. This felt much more disjointed. For S7 so far: -- I thought I liked Tony's new look but changed my mind. Again, it's inconsistent, but the darker slicker hair isn't working for me -- longer isn't bad, though. -- Tony's doing a lot of think-squint-frowning these days (as in, squinting at the board, squinting at McGee, thinking stuff over in that steely 1950's kind of PI look -- or is that just the clothes?) -- And on a related topic --I really wish they'd burn all those weird, Leave It To Beaver windbreakers he's wearing! I thought he was a fashion-savvy kind o' guy... ) -- I liked the McGee-Tony bond a LOT in 7.01 and while they haven't kept it up quite as well as it was then, it's still there and I'm hopeful for its continuation. -- I know Ziva is "a changed woman" and it was okay in 7.02, but wasn't crazy about how they wrote her in 7.03. (However, I remain impressed with CdeP's handling of what they give her to do.) Looking at the promos for 7.04, I'm thinking they may have shaken off everything remaining from the unpleasantness and it will be business as usual, for the most part, for the next show (Halloween, no less!) So for the arc they started at the end of S6, wrapping up most of it here in 7.03, I think I give it a B- ... some great, fantastic moments, a pretty good plot idea, some disappointing treatment of a story that could have been amazingly good... And a question, to wrap up this arc: on Special Ops, there has been a lot of discussion about Ziva, the changes in her character, how mean she was to Tony after the Rivkin thing, what she must have been through, yada yada.... but no matter how out of character she might or might not have seemed over these eps, didn't she seem far more out of character in the ep where she was undercover and end up killing the perp? Having her unravel through that whole episode just was so OOC, no matter what excuse they came up with. Again, C de P did it very well, but it just wasn't consistent with the character or her development.... |
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Post by AngelZ on Oct 18, 2009 22:55:12 GMT -5
LOL ;D
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Post by shywriter on Feb 21, 2010 0:29:24 GMT -5
Interesting to see this ep again last week, now what we're mid-way into S7. From the 20/20 hindsight (does that fit?) of having seen how S7 has unfolded, I found these high points in this ep really enjoyable, seeing it again this week:
-- Tony acting like a real senior agent when Gibbs was off elsewhere: directing McGee to work, complimenting his work, checking in w/ Ducky – in essence doing all Gibbs would have done if he wasn’t watching Vance interrogate Ziva – his demeanor throughout. I know he's done this in other eps but it seemed to stand out in this ep;
-- Tony & Tim still working as a team/pair: the vibe from 7.01 was still there, which is more faint now, mid-S7, since they're essentially back to being the 3 musketeers they were up until the end of S6;
-- Ziva’s smile when first called “Probie:”
-- Gibbs & Vance working as a team and coming to an understanding -- I was reminded how much I liked the way they work together when on the same page, as if they could fall into it easily during an op, in interrogation, etc. It was another reason I believe Vance/Ricky Carroll is a far more believable former agent-now director of NCIS than Sheppard/Lauren Holly ever was. Vance/Rocky just has a very strong, quiet, competent demeanor that makes me think that as a supervisory agent he probably was about as effective, in his own way, as the superhuman LJG is;
-- the scene in the interrogation room, with Ziva coming to the full realization of what her father did to her – especially the final moments with Gibbs, as he talked her through things and became protective father bear for her -- good plot moments and great connection between MH and CdP.
And I liked Tony's hair all over again. I think it's his hungry/ competent/ serious Tony hair, so I'd like to see it back.
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