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Post by Michele on Sept 30, 2009 19:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by shywriter on Sept 30, 2009 20:04:14 GMT -5
Silly of me, but I have this small fantasy that he has a cameo in an ep in which Tony (for whatever reason) hires a personal trainer... 
(they already passed up one golden opportunity: had Rivkin broken Tony's leg rather than his arm, and had it been a bad break needing some PT... ;D)My choice would be John Savage. He could play an one of a dozen roles and would of course make an excellent villain. Ooooh, yeah. I still want Bling, too, but ... yyeeeaaaaaahhhh... |
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Post by shywriter on Sept 30, 2009 20:22:10 GMT -5
^^^ Could it be that the writers failed to connect the Director to the team because...he's not part of the team! No, in my opinion ... The role of the Director has been written poorly well before Vance was ever in the picture and it certainly doesn't help anything that he seems to go M.I.A. every other week.  I like to think that Vance, as opposed to Shepard, is out doing Director-ly things (as opposed to hunting her daddy's nemesis -- now that was poorly written and then went downhill!) The Director's job is a political one; it's in the job description to go off to The Hill and the FBI/HSA/NSA poker games and Meet the Press and Countdown (with Keith Olberman), so that translates into M.I.A during the work day (which I would think would please those who aren't Director fans...  ) So he gets equal time in the debate: I  Vance -- ever since the toothpick scene with McGee and the secret "yes dear" life we saw revealed -- I him. (I also really liked the way he ran thru the crime scene with Gibbs after Shepard's death, but it was the computer geek bonding with McGee and the 180 at home that made me grin. MUCH more personality in those two scenes than they managed with Jenny ever.) |
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Post by Michele on Sept 30, 2009 20:26:55 GMT -5
Bling could play a Marine.
Lydecker could play a bad guy or a CIA agent
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Post by shywriter on Sept 30, 2009 20:32:22 GMT -5
I guess what pisses me off is that this ep. could've been SO MUCH FRAKING BETTER!  Yeah, watched it again and had the same reaction as my original post and yours here: they had so much started in the last ep and they just didn't do it justice -- however... I'm going to, too -- not going to hold my breath, but it's certainly possible that the after effects will linger and allow some interesting developments. They do have a history of bouncing back and ignoring what came before rather than developing things in an interesting way, but it's still a possibility, especially with the still- unexplored trauma Ziva experienced, what she's made of Tony's statements "under the influence..." |
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Post by AngelZ on Sept 30, 2009 21:03:02 GMT -5
We all have eps which are our least favourite. We usually earmark them as inferior because they focus on a character we don't particularly feel strong about. (for me Call of Silence and Twisted Sister are in my grrrr basket for whatever reason). MLFan we all know that you don't have any time for the Director - and haven't done since Morrow left. But in the defence of Vance in this particular episode, I think he was spot on. He played the Director just as Morrow would have. He had the right amount of authority towards Gibbs, he pointed out that Ziva was possibly damaged goods unless a psych evaluation proved otherwise, he gave Gibbs space to make his decision. He didn't dominate the ep. I'm in total agreement with sticking the boot in where it's justified, but I think in this particular ep you're sticking it to Vance just for the sake of it. Overall the ep was ok. Didn't mind the case. Probably whatever they did was going to pale in comparison to last week. After all the who-ha over at Special Ops about Abby 'yelling' at Ziva in the preview clip, I had to laugh out loud when we eventually saw the scene in full. Reason no: 573 why no one should over react or over analyse the promo clips. One thing I am confused about - exactly when did the team go on a rescue mission to 'save' Ziva? And how do you go on a rescue mission for someone you believe is dead? I know that some time had passed from last week to this week, but I think I would have preferred it to have at least one full ep where Ziva wasn't in the team. It somehow seemed a bit rushed. Yes that's right I would have liked to have seen OC on the team for a full ep |
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Post by ML Fan on Sept 30, 2009 22:16:00 GMT -5
No, in my opinion ... The role of the Director has been written poorly well before Vance was ever in the picture and it certainly doesn't help anything that he seems to go M.I.A. every other week. I like to think that Vance, as opposed to Shepard, is out doing Director-ly things (as opposed to hunting her daddy's nemesis -- now that was poorly written and then went downhill!) The Director's job is a political one; it's in the job description to go off to The Hill and the FBI/HSA/NSA poker games and Meet the Press and Countdown (with Keith Olberman), so that translates into M.I.A during the work day (which I would think would please those who aren't Director fans... ) So he gets equal time in the debate: I Vance -- ever since the toothpick scene with McGee and the secret "yes dear" life we saw revealed -- I him. (I also really liked the way he ran thru the crime scene with Gibbs after Shepard's death, but it was the computer geek bonding with McGee and the 180 at home that made me grin. MUCH more personality in those two scenes than they managed with Jenny ever.) I think that both of Director Morrow's replacements have been disappointing and I think that it is in part because Gibbs really doesn't respect Vance or Jenny before him and so I think that really undermines the role of the Director. I think that Gibbs basically will get whatever it is that he wants or needs and if Vance gets in his way that Gibbs and his team will much too easily in my opinion find their way around that. At least when Director Morrow was there, he was there for a real reason and Gibbs did respect him and didn't undermine Director Morrow. "Knockout" had no energy in my opinion and I would describe that episode as boring and really flat and when the bad guys got away from Jenny I was happy and not surprised and I don't think that I was supposed to be happy and I think that there was supposed to be some suspense involved there. I think while yes, there could be tension between Gibbs and Vance which could be interesting and a compelling and on-going storyline that the tension is lacking because Gibbs will get his way or Vance is just M.I.A. |
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Post by ML Fan on Sept 30, 2009 22:44:12 GMT -5
We all have eps which are our least favourite. We usually earmark them as inferior because they focus on a character we don't particularly feel strong about. (for me Call of Silence and Twisted Sister are in my grrrr basket for whatever reason). MLFan we all know that you don't have any time for the Director - and haven't done since Morrow left. But in the defence of Vance in this particular episode, I think he was spot on. He played the Director just as Morrow would have. He had the right amount of authority towards Gibbs, he pointed out that Ziva was possibly damaged goods unless a psych evaluation proved otherwise, he gave Gibbs space to make his decision. He didn't dominate the ep. I'm in total agreement with sticking the boot in where it's justified, but I think in this particular ep you're sticking it to Vance just for the sake of it. No, I'm not sticking it to Vance just for the sake of it. I think that there was absolutely no doubt or any tension in my mind that Gibbs was going to in this case get Ziva back on his team regardless of anything Vance said or did and while Gibbs and company didn't go over Vance's authority this time, it still doesn't change the fact that Gibbs and his team have gone over his authority in the past. If Vance did make a big deal out of having Ziva come back to the team, I think that in the end Gibbs still would've gotten his way and so I think that most of the time that Gibbs has too much power. I think that it would've been interesting to see what Gibbs did and said if Vance didn't want Ziva back even just as a temporary storyline. I think that it would be interesting to see some tension between Gibbs and Vance for more than five minutes and I really wanted and hoped for that when he became a series regular but, to me it's never really happened and so while Vance is an improvement over Jenny, I am still disappointed with Vance's character and his storylines. |
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Post by Michele on Sept 30, 2009 23:00:29 GMT -5
next weeks looks good. wonder what mood Gibbs is going to be in, once he finds out about Tony and Tim getting arrested.
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Post by shywriter on Oct 1, 2009 5:29:44 GMT -5
Well said, Angel Z! One thing I am confused about - exactly when did the team go on a rescue mission to 'save' Ziva? I assumed the months' tags on the screen and having that last Gibbs-Tony "eyes on the ground" discussion being "September" was to get us up to present day for the rescue and 7.02... and to let us know the progression of things while Ziva was gone, and how long she was gone. ...maybe? They didn't -- Tony announced it after daring to say "no" to Gibbs' "grab your gear" -- they went to take out Saleem so he wouldn't kill anyone else (I didn't go back to check but assumed the deaths of Saleem's men by NCIS people were those in the NCIS:LA-Rivkin plot.) Tony & Tim really were surprised by her appearance. That would have been fun! She seems to have OC's attitude about irritating men! (talking to tony as if her were Sketchy!) |
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Post by Aerie on Oct 1, 2009 12:09:25 GMT -5
I probably won't get to see this ep until the end of October. I'll have four episodes to watch.  I think the actor, sorry don't know his name, is doing a great job with Vance. Since TPTB are going to stick a Director character in the midst of the ones we love, they couldn't have done a better job. Gibbs is a bit of a bully and he needs someone who can kick his ass and Vance is doing a good job filling the role. We might not see him a lot because he'll be in both shows. The CBS polling shows Vance as a very popular character so he'll be popping up a lot. (Hated the ep that showed Vance's past, I am so not interested.) Vance is written as a very strong character and often dominates a scene. Boy, did I hate him when he was mean to Tony, McGeek and Ziva. Poor Jenny suffered greatly at our hands. We loved to hate her. Along with Kate, Asha and now poor Ziva.  Tell me more about Reunion. |
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Post by dzero on Oct 1, 2009 17:12:21 GMT -5
Poor Jenny suffered greatly at our hands. We loved to hate her. Along with Kate, Asha and now poor Ziva. Jenny was f^cking annoying, mostly how the character was written but the actress didn't help. The Jenny character was doomed so to speak from the start, having her and Gibbs be past lovers was just over dramatic. It's not our fault the writers blew it with that one. While I admit it's very clever of you to throw her in with two beloved characters and one well thought of character so that by attacking Jenny it seems like we are attacking them all, but it's just not true. |
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Post by AngelZ on Oct 1, 2009 19:43:36 GMT -5
They didn't -- Tony announced it after daring to say "no" to Gibbs' "grab your gear" -- they went to take out Saleem so he wouldn't kill anyone else (I didn't go back to check but assumed the deaths of Saleem's men by NCIS people were those in the NCIS:LA-Rivkin plot.) Tony & Tim really were surprised by her appearance. Sorry I was trying to be witty. It was Abby's line about Tony 'saving' Ziva which threw me. I assumed she meant that Tony and the gang went to North Africa to 'save Ziva' (which was just not the case). Now I'm wondering if she meant 'saving Ziva from Rivkin'? Jenny was just wrong wrong wrong. It's interesting that the original head of LANCIS (Macy?) didn't poll well with viewers. Is that because her personality/background was strangely similar to Jenny's? Although they weren't a romantic item, I think the audience gets a little tired of the writers trying to play up the sexual tension between every second character - and have Gibbs have a past relationship with everyone in the NCIS universe. So true ;D |
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Post by Mr.Clark on Oct 1, 2009 20:31:48 GMT -5
Poor Jenny suffered greatly at our hands. We loved to hate her. Along with Kate, Asha and now poor Ziva. Jenny was f^cking annoying, mostly how the character was written but the actress didn't help. The Jenny character was doomed so to speak from the start, having her and Gibbs be past lovers was just over dramatic. It's not our fault the writers blew it with that one. While I admit it's very clever of you to throw her in with two beloved characters and one well thought of character so that by attacking Jenny it seems like we are attacking them all, but it's just not true. I wasn't here when people got on Asha's case and Kate didn't bother me though I do think she doesn't hold a candle to Ziva. Jenny however was a special case. As dzero said she came out of the gate in a precarious position. I got quite tired of the seeing the Paris flashbacks every single freaking time she and Gibb's were in a room together. Then you add in the fact that she was a horrible, horrible leader who had virtually no control over her subordinates. What little control she did have she decided to use for her own personal interests not those of the Navy, Marine Corps or the US tax payers as a whole. |
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Post by Michele on Oct 1, 2009 23:48:44 GMT -5
Fillmore (puts a letter on the desk): My letter of resignation.
(Tony picks up letter)
McGee: That's a very long...
Fillmore: I had a hard time choosing the right adjectives. I couldn't decide between childish, juvenile and just plain old annoying.
(Fillmore glares at Tony)
McGee: It's true.
(McGee chuckles and Fillmore turns to McGee)
Fillmore: And you, you know better. But you are so busy playing the faithful sidekick, you just go along for the ride. Well I've had enough,
(snatches paper out of Tony's hands and slams it on desk)
Fillmore: Make sure that Agent Gibbs gets that.
(Fillmore storms out)
Tony: Annoying?
McGee: Sidekick?
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McGee: She'll call if she's ready.
Tony: Last time I said that I ended up tied to a chair in North Africa.
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McGee: You know Janet with psych services?
Tony: Man hands, great eyes.
McGee: Yeah, she asked me out for drinks, tomorrow night.
Tony: That's not bad for a guy who spent half the last mission sleeping on the floor.
McGee: I was not sleeping on the floor.
Tony: Could've fooled me.
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Vance -- ever since the toothpick scene with McGee and the secret "yes dear" life we saw revealed -- I 
