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Post by ML Fan on Feb 15, 2009 16:25:30 GMT -5
Have you seen "Bounce?" Tell us what you thought. There are spoilers and discussion our sister site, NCIS Special Ops, you're interested.
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Post by Michele on Feb 18, 2009 2:51:59 GMT -5
Just saw this episode, got mixed feelings for this one. Abby, McGee and Ziva bugged me.
Like it or not McGee, Tony is 2nd in line after Gibbs and he will be leader at times.
I just McGee and Ziva forgot about the episodes Probie and Dead me walking. Probie cause Tony went to see if McGee is doing ok, and Dead man walking cause Tony acted like he was sick so Ziva could take Roy outside.
I'm happy that Gibbs back Tony up.
other then that it was a good episode, I saw abit of Logan in Tony at some times.
well thats my POV.
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Post by dzero on Feb 19, 2009 14:05:02 GMT -5
I liked this ep because it had a lot of Tony for a change and I really liked Gibbs in this episode, he acted like a recognizable human being instead of a drill sergeant. I did however have a problem with some of the plot details . Unless I missed something basically they convicted the guy of embezzlement and three years later they looked at the case again and found out that he was in Iraq at the time of the crime? And they didn't figure this out three years ago because? Grrrrrgh something else bothered me but now can't remember what it was
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Post by AngelZ on Feb 19, 2009 17:52:10 GMT -5
Lots of Tony = good Silly plot line = bad My needs are simple Overall having lots of Tony overrides all other evils - but the underlying story bugged me big time. It took me a while to figure out that the original case wasn't a Baltimore case, but in fact an NCIS one. While I understand Tony feeling personally responsible for leading the charge that put away an innocent man - why doesn't McGee also feel responsible? The man who loves to cyber-dig wasn't so inquisitive this time? (Apologies if my confusion is of my own making and I have in fact misunderstood a major piece of the plot puzzle).
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Post by Herumor on Feb 19, 2009 18:11:32 GMT -5
I liked this ep because it had a lot of Tony for a change and I really liked Gibbs in this episode, he acted like a recognizable human being instead of a drill sergeant. I did however have a problem with some of the plot details . Unless I missed something basically they convicted the guy of embezzlement and three years later they looked at the case again and found out that he was in Iraq at the time of the crime? And they didn't figure this out three years ago because? The time stamps had also been modified, thus voiding the guy's alibi. When the real dates and times the money was embezzled came to light, it was obvious that he had been in Irak, and therefore innocent. Lots of Tony = good Silly plot line = bad My needs are simple Overall having lots of Tony overrides all other evils - but the underlying story bugged me big time. It took me a while to figure out that the original case wasn't a Baltimore case, but in fact an NCIS one. While I understand Tony feeling personally responsible for leading the charge that put away an innocent man - why doesn't McGee also feel responsible? The man who loves to cyber-dig wasn't so inquisitive this time? (Apologies if my confusion is of my own making and I have in fact misunderstood a major piece of the plot puzzle).They explained that the forensic accounting software used at the time wasn't up to the task, that it took a lot of know how and effort to crack the encryption of the forged records (the line went more or less "it took me three years to do it, but thanks to you I had the time to spare" or something like that); the point being that it would have taken McGee and a team of forensic accountants months, if not years, of undivided attention, which was unwarranted by the facts as presented on the case. Also, one of the joys of being an underling is that the decision making is in someone else's hands, so when Tony was convinced by the evidence (and he is a little headstrong, as we all know ), he would've told Mg Gee to stop digging, specially if all their evidence looked legit and was backed by a witness. Or so it seemed to me... ;D
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Post by Michele on Feb 19, 2009 18:18:03 GMT -5
DiNozzo's hangover remedy was a little out there. They were talking about that in the episode SWAK.
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Post by dzero on Feb 19, 2009 18:41:19 GMT -5
The time stamps had also been modified, thus voiding the guy's alibi. When the real dates and times the money was embezzled came to light, it was obvious that he had been in Irak, and therefore innocent. Guy went all the way to Iraq and can't produce an Eye witness?
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Post by Herumor on Feb 19, 2009 20:49:09 GMT -5
The time stamps had also been modified, thus voiding the guy's alibi. When the real dates and times the money was embezzled came to light, it was obvious that he had been in Irak, and therefore innocent. Guy went all the way to Iraq and can't produce an Eye witness? you got me there... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by shywriter on Feb 19, 2009 22:49:16 GMT -5
I really liked this one a lot, overall (no doubt because it was Tony-centric) -- but there was a weird combination of lots of good moments, some odd moments, and some careless plot ravels. Along with what everyone else has said, some more observations: -- this was the first ep I've ever seen that felt like fanfic! Several things -- including Gibbs' talk with "Anthony" -- were things we hadn't really seen on the show much (if at all) but is often done in fic. ;D -- I have a feeling that some of the plot confusions may have been that they needed about 10 or 15 more minutes to do the plot justice and not to try cramming things into the 45 min or so they had to do all they felt they needed to do. -- REALLY like the many ways they did character switches: McGee sounded like DiNozzo in focusing on the duffle bag (and less on the dead guy) and seeing that the seams were split just as the reviews said they would (but here, 'cos a body was in it!); Gibbs became positively loquacious not only saying more at one time than he had before, but his (also) DiNozzo-like comments at the crime scene, dryly making wisecracks and actually "sharing" info about his ex-wives, joining the bet with Ziva & McGee as to which technique Tony would use -- and of course, Tony shifting back into boss mode (like his Gibbsian sneaking up on McGee when he started talking about him), not quite 'Boss' yet but making his way closer & closer (the scene with Abby: maybe he was late, but he brought the ankle brace for Sister Rosita! ) . --REALLY liked (though feel guilty about it) the speech Gibbs gave Tony at the staircase, how he was making things right, making him proud -- and liked watching MW's expressions during that whole scenario. -- BUT: what bothered me the most (and yet recognized I would have thought it was funny if I wasn't so defensive on Tony's behalf): what the h*ll was that with Palmer being Tony's secret adviser and the brains behind his brain? Yeah, funny, haha, we wouldn't have expected it -- and I would even see Tony looking for some input back when being team leader was suddenly dumped on him -- but ... eh. Come ON... They explained that the forensic accounting software used at the time wasn't up to the task, that it took a lot of know how and effort to crack the encryption of the forged records (the line went more or less "it took me three years to do it, but thanks to you I had the time to spare" or something like that); the point being that it would have taken McGee and a team of forensic accountants months, if not years, of undivided attention, which was unwarranted by the facts as presented on the case. But ... was that it? I thought there was a scene establishing that Rene was *not* a computer geek (said in the bull[pen and later by the Pentagon officer), and the point was that with time in jail and using and Open Source program (as in, basic freebie software) he was able to gather all the proof he brought in on his flashdrive (which was a big plot gaffe -- but explains more of Tony's self-beratement -- that the info should have been figured out during the investigation... ...or did I make all this up in between all the cool Tony scenes? And note that Tony pulled a Gibbs in the end, dispensing a bit of what he decided was a just result... So even with all the weirdnesses and the lack of clarity -- the Tony and others characters stuff was enough to make me like it more than many this season!
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Post by dzero on Feb 20, 2009 0:06:49 GMT -5
-- this was the first ep I've ever seen that felt like fanfic! Several things -- including Gibbs' talk with "Anthony" -- were things we hadn't really seen on the show much (if at all) but is often done in fic. ;D That is soooooo the reason I don't read fan fic. ;D what the h*ll was that with Palmer being Tony's secret adviser and the brains behind his brain? Yeah, funny, haha, we wouldn't have expected it -- and I would even see Tony looking for some input back when being team leader was suddenly dumped on him -- but ... eh. Come ON... Yes! This is what I had forgotten. What the f^ck was that about? I thought maybe I had missed an old ep from when Tony was in charge before and they had these scenes then? Where Tony was going to Palmer for advice? If not then this was the single worst scene in the history of this show. Just complete randomness for no reason and yet it is actually important to the characters if we the audience are meant to take them seriously. By that I mean if we are to believe it actually happened and wasn't some retarded dream sequence then it completely changes the dynamic between two main characters. And again...WTF? Palmer? If Tony is going to someone for advice then it's Palmer? and not Ducky? Or Vance? Or god forbid Fornell?
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Post by Mr.Clark on Feb 20, 2009 1:06:52 GMT -5
The way I'm trying to rationalize the Tony/Palmer scene is to think of it like a House/Wilson scene. Palmer's simple approach helps Tony from getting to far away from the obvious. When trying to look at the smallest detail you loose the big picture.
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Post by shywriter on Feb 20, 2009 2:40:38 GMT -5
That is soooooo the reason I don't read fan fic. ;D I had a premonition. I knew I couldn't be the only one who suddenly suspected I'd been drugged and hallucinating... Even Abby. Probably most fans would be willing to accept the idea that, thrown into the job when Gibbs left, Tony might want to bounce ideas off someone, to get some support and be told he's on the right track. Most would also probably accept Tony wanting to keep this from the team, so they don't see him as weak. Many might even accept the confidante as being an unexpected character. But ... Palmer? And in same ep wherein the only other scene he has is that he developed an unusual fascination with a Cirque du Soleil tumbler? The one regular they've developed as a loveable stooge, fairly hapless and usually (at least as compared to the others) a bit dim? Bad. Bad, bad, bad. Which is why this was such a weird ep; so much to like but so much to be labeled :WTF???"
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Post by Herumor on Feb 20, 2009 5:29:23 GMT -5
Yes! This is what I had forgotten. What the f^ck was that about? I thought maybe I had missed an old ep from when Tony was in charge before and they had these scenes then? Where Tony was going to Palmer for advice? If not then this was the single worst scene in the history of this show. Just complete randomness for no reason and yet it is actually important to the characters if we the audience are meant to take them seriously. By that I mean if we are to believe it actually happened and wasn't some retarded dream sequence then it completely changes the dynamic between two main characters. And again...WTF? Palmer? If Tony is going to someone for advice then it's Palmer? and not Ducky? Or Vance? Or god forbid Fornell? Ah, I had forgotten about this! I think that the writers tried to make a point, show Tony becoming more like Gibbs, intentionally or not; Gibbs goes to Ducky for advice, so Tony goes to Palmer...it totally makes sense, in a retarded, third-grade kind of way, but it does... ;D ;D Maybe I'm not expecting much of network shows nowadays...
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Post by dzero on Feb 20, 2009 12:30:55 GMT -5
Ah, I had forgotten about this! I think that the writers tried to make a point, show Tony becoming more like Gibbs, intentionally or not; Gibbs goes to Ducky for advice, so Tony goes to Palmer...it totally makes sense, in a retarded, third-grade kind of way, but it does... ;D ;D Oh, yes of course. I didn't think of this. Yes this is exactly what the writers were doing and it sucks. The idea of going to Palmer for advice is half clever in a "we are switching everything up ep" one off kind of way but it goes completely against everything we have seen form these characters for the past 3 or 4 years ( however long Palmer has been on the show ). And now the writers will probably never reference it again but the problem is for us viewers who can't erase it from our brains. This is the kind of lazy, stupid stunt writing that ruins shows. I'm not saying this is that bad , but once they do this kind of thing it is easier to believe they will do it again .
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Post by AngelZ on Feb 23, 2009 19:20:36 GMT -5
Ah, I had forgotten about this! I think that the writers tried to make a point, show Tony becoming more like Gibbs, intentionally or not; Gibbs goes to Ducky for advice, so Tony goes to Palmer...it totally makes sense, in a retarded, third-grade kind of way, but it does... ;D ;D Now I see the logic behind that...but it still sucked!
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