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Post by dzero on Apr 26, 2008 21:43:44 GMT -5
For dzero Mmmmm looks good , now just let me grab a napkin so I can wipe all that gunk of those delicious hot dogs and I'll be all set .
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Post by dzero on Apr 26, 2008 21:59:51 GMT -5
In this case, I think that the writers hold the fact that Jenny is a female against her and I think that she's written in an inconsistent and unprofessional manner and I think that was the same type of attitude by the writers was what doomed Kate. While I agree they have written her character inconsistently and she has been unprofessional at times, there is just no proof or evidence that this is because she is a woman. If they hadn't wanted a woman boss they wouldn't have created the character. Besides you are looking at this backwards, Jenny the character isn't a Boss who happens to be female. Jenny is an ex of Gibbs who was brought in to somewhat humanize him, the choice to make her the director is secondary. Just a way of having her around without being directly on the team. So in other words Aerie is correct ( these are words I had hoped to avoid typing ) it's just a TV show and though an entertaining one not a very realistic one. I think looking towards this show for a realistic representation of inter office gender politics is a fruitless endeavor.
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Post by dzero on Apr 26, 2008 22:35:30 GMT -5
And see, that is just *so* male! (Now I'll be curious to see if the women here agree!) Guys assume "messy" is bad, and know that if he said he never loved her, it would mean "closure" and she'd be better off. Yeah, right! Better for the guy, because she'll never be around and not bugging him to see of they could start over, yada yada -- but here's this chick who put all her trust in a guy and is left to think that she had been SO totally played, she can never trust a guy again, blah blah blah... however, if he'd been a real mensch (notice that Ziva said "be a man" instead?) and acknowledged it started as an assignment, but he then had real feelings, no matter what happened with the relationship she could know that she hadn't been such a terrible judge of character, and can just be mad at him for doing that for a job but nor devastated that she had been so totally fooled by him? I'm just sayin.' LOL, ok not much to add. I think you are spot on. Basically you have a guy who thinks he is doing the noble thing, but no he really hasn't thought this through as to how it affects Jeanne. That's really giving those "male" writers the benefit of the doubt. ;D
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Post by dzero on Apr 26, 2008 22:46:36 GMT -5
Serious question, though: what do all of you think was behind Tony's answering "no" to the Big Question at the end? I should have added my other question, what did Ziva mean when she told Tony to "be a man?" (again: male writers, but writing for a female now.) Hubby thinks she meant to do just what he did, "to cut her loose." I thought it might be just to face her, talk to her (he was going to let her leave without saying anything) -- and to apologize for using her, for lying. (do you think that the writers who actually get paid for crafting those lines give even 1/10th this much thought about what the characters' lines mean? )did you just quote yourself? ;D ;D Anyways your question is a tough one . I could see it either way. The only thing I can say is that as soon as those words came out of her mouth it reminded me of Say Anything when the Lily Taylor says to John Cusack "Don't be a guy, be a man". For anyone who hasn't seen that movie ( I'm looking at you aerie ) Tony in NCIS = guy, Rick in Casablanca = man
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Post by Michele on Apr 26, 2008 23:05:27 GMT -5
Did anyone here hear Kort say Eyes Only when Leon asked for his get out of Jail free card? it was before Tony hit him.
Leon is going to be in the next episode (In the Zone)
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Post by Mr.Clark on Apr 26, 2008 23:10:58 GMT -5
Did anyone here hear Kort say Eyes Only when Leon asked for his get out of Jail free card? it was before Tony hit him. Leon is going to be in the next episode (In the Zone) I definitely think Leon is going to replace Jen. I don't see why else we'd be introduced to him when for 4 seasons NCIS didn't even have an Assistant Director for all we knew. So i figure if they're going to introduce us to him he must have some sort of role. I hope Tony makes a Crimson Tide remark around him, great flick.
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Post by AngelZ on Apr 27, 2008 6:26:10 GMT -5
My 2 cents worth ;D "Be a man" can be interpreted two ways: 1) Be brave. Don't be afraid to talk to Jeanne and tell her how you feel even though it will be difficult. Even though she may reject you again. 2) Do the right thing and give her a reason to hate you. Forget your own feelings and do what's right for her. Even if you/they reunite, trust will always be a difficult thing. Maybe... Jeanne 'gave in' to Jenny's questioning because subconsciously she wanted to end the charade. She only did it to get Tony's attention...and doesn't she love to get Tony's attention and pull him around on a lead. Deep down Jeanne didn't want to hurt Tony. What she wanted was proper answers/closure to their relationship. This is why she asked him "was it all a lie" at the end. This was her strange way of crawling back. I don't think Jeanne was a particularly well written character so why she did what she did is anyone's guess. Maybe the writers wrote a whole scene explaining her state of mind but there just wasn't enough time so it was cut? Or maybe this is just a tv show and we're just supposed to believe that Jeanne's word would be taken at face value without any consideration of her possible motivation for wanting to kick Tony's butt?
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Post by shywriter on Apr 27, 2008 11:12:30 GMT -5
I don't think Jeanne was a particularly well written character so why she did what she did is anyone's guess... Or maybe this is just a tv show and we're just supposed to believe that Jeanne's word would be taken at face value without any consideration of her possible motivation for wanting to kick Tony's butt? Oh, you're absolutely right! Actually, some of us have had great fun taking the writers' unexplained or ill-considered plot points or lines in DA (perish the thought that they weren't perfect! ;D) and creating facfic to explain them or try to have them make sense...
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Post by Mr.Clark on Apr 28, 2008 0:11:49 GMT -5
This just struck me, the part at the end where Tony confronts Court, he leans into him and says 'he wasn't just an asset he was somebodies father'. That was probably the closest Michaels come to Tony acting like Logan. It always amazes me how different those two character are, Michael really does a hell of a job, there mannerisms and the way they talk make it really hard to believe its the same guy.
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Post by Michele on Apr 28, 2008 0:15:53 GMT -5
some of the crew on NCIS were crew on Dark Angel
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