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Post by ML Fan on Sept 24, 2006 1:33:14 GMT -5
Have you seen "Escaped?" Tell us what you thought.
There are spoilers on NCIS Special Ops, if you're interested.
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Post by ML Fan on Sept 30, 2006 13:50:01 GMT -5
While it was nice to see Gibbs in a larger role this week and his interaction with the team, I liked "Shalom" better as an episode.
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Post by AngelZ on Oct 1, 2006 21:04:54 GMT -5
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one MLFan. I gave Escaped a 9/10 (and only 7 for Shalom). The story/humour combo held together a lot better for me - a more complete, well rounded ep. I rate the eps based on how many times I laugh out loud and how many drool buckets get filled. :-)
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Post by ML Fan on Oct 1, 2006 22:58:31 GMT -5
I think that part of the reason that I liked "Shalom" better is because, the writers showed that they don't have an issue incorporating Ziva's background into the show in a positive and constructive mannner. I think that Kate was the victim of lack of character development and it's nice to see that the writers have not made that mistake twice. I also thought that the writers seemed to take some of Tony's confidence that we saw in "Shalom" away and I thought that Jenny was written awkwardly in "Escaped."
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Post by Aerie on Oct 1, 2006 23:43:24 GMT -5
I will pay you a hundred thousand dollars, virtual, if you promise to never say that again.  We know how you feel about Asha, Kate, and the new female probie.I hate it when series producers think they must develop every character to the nnnth degree. Let's drink to non-development of those pesky females and concentrate on the men.  I'm looking forward to watching these episodes later in the month to check out AngelZ's rating system. |
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Post by ML Fan on Oct 2, 2006 0:16:06 GMT -5
I felt that Kate was supposed to be the female lead on NCIS while she was there and so, I think that people expected to learn more about her, whether it be personally like a hobby or on the job, but, we didn't, instead, there was a lot of focus on other characters including the then new guy, McGee. I like female characters who are confident in themselves and their abilities and that's why I think we are lucky to have both Abby and a smart and confident female lead in Ziva. I have never been a fan of seeing a character male or female be put down or in their place a lot, because, I think it is something that gets old quickly and that it comes across as more of a distraction from other things that are being done well to me.
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Post by Aerie on Oct 2, 2006 10:42:42 GMT -5
Okay, with donations from "Friends of NCIS" the offer is now up to $145,000.  |
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Post by ML Fan on Oct 2, 2006 11:03:54 GMT -5
I think that we will have to agree to disagree here, Aerie.
I've seen the ratings for this episode and I'd be willing to bet that more people here watched "Escaped."
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Post by dzero on Oct 2, 2006 11:09:17 GMT -5
Okay, with donations from "Friends of NCIS" the offer is now up to $145,000. How much can I get for never writing "I think that Kate was the victim of lack of character development"? ;D ;D |
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Post by AngelZ on Oct 2, 2006 20:44:07 GMT -5
I have never been a fan of seeing a character male or female be put down or in their place a lot, because, I think it is something that gets old quickly and that it comes across as more of a distraction from other things that are being done well to me. Actually the character that is put down and riddiculed the most on the show is Tony. He is constantly being set up only to take the fall and be the butt of the joke a few minutes later. That is one of the aspects of the show and his character that I love. I think it's wrong to confuse character development with character strength. There was plenty of backstory for Kate and she even had her own ep before Tony. On paper her character was well defined, but on screen it wasn't. She was given plenty of opportunities to shine, but for some reason never did. Consider for a moment that the problem may have been in the way that the character was played, rather than written. To date we have always blamed the writers for Kate's inconsistency and wishy washy personality. 4 seasons on with a bucket load of interesting characters (including 2 strong female leads), perhaps we've treated the writers unfairly? You don't need to know a lot of personal details about a character to find them interesting or appealing, you just need a character that is played with conviction. Aerie, I had 5c in my pocket and now I have 3c left to contribute to the fund. It's not much, but it's the thought that counts. :-) |
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Post by ML Fan on Oct 2, 2006 22:27:29 GMT -5
Which episode did you consider a Kate-centric episode?  I didn't really consider any certain episode a Kate centric episode.  I have liked that with Tony that even if he is somehow put down that the writers have let him be smart and competent as well. I thought that Kate was originlly written as a replacement for Viv, whereas, Ziva was a whole new character and so, I think that the writers approach to writing the two characters was very different, not good or bad, just different. I think that there have been some inconsistent things with each regular character to be honest, I think that with Kate it was just more noticeable whether that be because of how it was written or how it was acted is up for interpretation, I guess. |
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Post by AngelZ on Oct 3, 2006 0:34:41 GMT -5
Which episode did you consider a Kate-centric episode? Left for Dead. I thought that Kate was originlly written as a replacement for Viv. The character of Kate may have been written to replace Viv as a team member, but her persona was meant to be quite different. Viv was green and nieve, while Kate's character was originally set up to be strong, forthright and determined. It's up to an actor to put their stamp on a character. There is a huge difference in the pitch of each of the characters from the JAG ep to the following eps. Over time the actors have moulded the characters into their own unique shape. IMO, Kate's character was the only one that was ill-defined - not because we didn't know whether she preferred knitting to crochet, but because SA failed to project enough character into her character. MLFan while I respect your opinion (and hope you respect mine), I don't really want to continue this discussion about the merits or otherwise of Kate's character or whether or not over 3 seasons it had a chance to be fully developed. I just wanted to get my opinion off my chest. Sorry if I stirred things up. :-) |
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Post by ML Fan on Oct 3, 2006 1:07:51 GMT -5
I was really just wondering what episode you felt was a Kate centric episode, because, I didn't see or I guess hadn't thought of Left For Dead as a Kate centric episode. I don't lay the blame as much on Sasha's inability to project more into her character, I felt that it had more to do with how DPB percieves women in some respects.
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Post by AngelZ on Oct 3, 2006 22:27:43 GMT -5
Is it just me or is there an echo in here?  |
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Post by dzero on Oct 3, 2006 23:20:35 GMT -5
Is it just me or is there an echo in here? ;D ;D |
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I didn't really consider any certain episode a Kate centric episode. 
I have liked that with Tony that even if he is somehow put down that the writers have let him be smart and competent as well.