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Post by LT GEN Carter USAF on Sept 14, 2003 20:37:35 GMT -5
Go SuperBlonde u tell them gurl here here for SuperBlonde here here
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Post by SuperBlonde on Sept 14, 2003 21:08:09 GMT -5
Wow! I've got fans! ;D BTW, what'd I say?
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Post by Star on Sept 14, 2003 21:36:07 GMT -5
Just so everyone knows, I've been reading the posts here and the PM's I've been getting all weekend. I will have some comments on all of this tomorrow evening. Thanks to all who have expressed their opinions on this and to those who haven't please do by tomorrow night! Post them here or PM me if you don't feel comfortable with a public post. Thanks! Star
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Post by dzero on Sept 14, 2003 21:49:46 GMT -5
Just wanted to add my name to the list of people who hope DAR remains as it is. I go to several JA and Dark Angel sites everyday but this is the only one I post on, mostly because the people here seem friendlier and more mature than the other boards. I must say that the disagreemeant about the new JA movie seemed pretty minor, I am surprised it has lead to the drastic measures being considered. I do however think some good can come from this. It has given the rest of us a chance to tell the Mods how much we love the site and appreciate their hard work.
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Post by Hometown9 on Sept 14, 2003 22:27:20 GMT -5
Well for me I should want to say that DAR is something that I still love to have around. As admitted recently, I’m not as active a member as I once was. Terribly for all of us we don’t have the actual show that was Dark Angel any longer and it truly has been a long time now since we last saw Freak Nation and got left with the rather unbearable ending of S2 with all of the (and I use the term loosely) storylines left unresolved. As a consequence of not having that which we loved so much (S1) and having been dealt what amounted to a poorer version of DA in it’s second season, I feel like it’s been a gradual waning of interest that has occurred for myself and I honestly hate that. I never would have wanted it to happen, I’m still a Freak and have an unnatural obsession for DA in the way that has me dreaming of the day when we’ll get it back in the form of a movie. So what I’d be saying here is that I don’t want DAR to close.
Now having gotten the crux of that said, I should want to add that I agree with J-J-J-Jessica!_guy’s assessment about the statement that may have been at the inception of this latest argument. “A movie about drugs...sounds so interesting..” sounds to me as though it is very thinly veiled in a negatively sarcastic way. Yet it also sounds *more* like just something that’s a contrary opinion than an attempt to start trouble by any sort of flaming. I even kind of thought that in subsequent posts on that same thread, that the matter became cleared up so that nobody did get (or was getting) their feelings hurt. I guess at that point I presumed it was a matter that became resolved and no more undue attention would surround it. Maybe I’ve been reading this wrong. If so then I have no right to comment on it and you should disregard this part of my post. But for someone to have a differing opinion is still something that I hope (like J-J-J-Jessica!_guy said) would be alright to have and then express here without any sort of recrimination.
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Post by Star on Sept 15, 2003 6:58:20 GMT -5
First off, Thank You to everyone who responded to this. Just so everyone knows, it was not any one post that started this - rather it has been an accumulation of a constant need recently for the mods to be watching all of the threads for petty bickering and meanness.
None of the stuff has been a major thing - yet they are the kinds of small things that can easily lead into flaming and fighting and watching for that and nipping it in the bud gets to be tiring.
Personally I think it started with the split of JMA & MW (which hit a lot of people here hard I know). But it has taken attention from Dark Angel which is the reason for being for this board and placed it too much onto the personal lives and issues of the actors involved. (IMO anyway).
But now on to my thoughts on this. I was going to wait until tonight but I decided to go ahead and hopefully close this out so we can move forward.
After reading all the responses it is clear that no one wants DAR to close down. So it won’t.
We will also keep it an open board at this time.
We will keep open the Real World section, but I will ask everyone to please try to refrain from gossip about actor’s personal lives as much as possible. Frankly that’s the section that has been driving me and the mods crazy lately. The actor’s personal lives are their business and it isn’t up to any of us to pass judgement on them. I know people here take a strong interest in DA’s stars, which is natural. Information on what they are doing is fine, but please try to keep it above the tabloid gossip level.
There have been some good suggestions made about the rules and about monitoring newbies and we will see what we can do to implement some of them.
I also have some responses to some of the comments I have received. Those follow.
First off to all newbies – READ THE RULES. If you don’t like them or can’t follow them then don’t post here. We aren’t going to change our rules or the way we view DA. Coming here thinking that we will, is almost guaranteed to get you in trouble and possibly banned. We love DA S1 here and don’t like S2. We like Jessica and Michael and that won’t change. We won’t give in on the Max/Logan relationship, and alec will never be a topic here. That’s the bottom line. We make no apologies for that. That’s what DAR was founded on and that’s what it will always be about.
Secondly, I spent time over the weekend reading responses and thinking about DAR – how it started, how it has evolved and where we are now. One thing that is clear to me no matter what, is that the majority of members here are very special. I see other boards and lists (not all DA ones) where sarcasm and putdowns and flaming are the norm and are almost expected. DAR has never been that way, and that is the important thing to me and to our mods. We don’t want this to become a board where people have to worry that everything they post is fair game for attack from others. Because of that the mods may sometimes seem over sensitive, but I think Superblonde explained where that comes from very well.
That said, it is often difficult to judge when someone is using what is ostensibly mild sarcasm in order to disguise attacks and flames and thus open the door to stronger negativity. In the absence of being able to read minds and know the true intent, the mods here look at the poster’s past posts and history when making that judgement. We do know who always slips in their supposedly innocent little digs, as opposed to someone who is simply expressing an opinion on one particular thing. A poster who consistently makes “slightly” sarcastic negative comments on an ongoing basis, or one who is a Newbie with no prior history of posting to look at, will be come down on harder than someone who has been here and who the mods know is not out to make trouble for others or for the board.
I’d also suggest that if you haven’t posted very much or at all, don’t decide to make your first post one that is expressing negativity. First impressions can be killers. Do some posting first and let people get to know you and what you are about. If Scirta posts that she really dislikes X thing that Michael Weatherly has done, I’m going to take that completely differently from Jane Doe who has never posted here before and whose first post is to say that she really hates his new show. Maybe she does (and that’s her right) but choosing to start out on DAR that way only gives an impression that she is a troll, here to make trouble. That may or may not be true, but it isn’t a good way to make friends here.
And to the member who said that different opinions from the mods are not tolerated, I have to say that you don’t know DAR well at all. Even the mods don’t always have the same opinions. What is not tolerated is disrepect to the mods. If a mod asks a poster to back off on something they need to do so and not argue with the mod about it. If a poster feels a mod is being unreasonable their recourse is first to PM the mod to discuss it. If they feel they are not getting anywhere with the mod they need to PM me. The mods aren’t out to censor and chastise posters for no reason. When they do, it’s either because the mod feels the poster is being provocative of an argument, or the mods have received PM’s from regular members who feel the poster is trying to provoke an argument. That happens a lot more than some of you realize. Most members here do not want to fight, so they ask the mods to step in when they think a poster is provoking fighting and flaming.
Deliberately ignoring a mod in an open thread is grounds for a warning and possible banning from the board. It may seem harsh but that’s the way it works and will continue to work.
The bottom line is that DAR is meant to be a place where people can post and enjoy DA. Some people’s preferred means of enjoyment is sarcasm and negativity. That won’t go over here. So if you are looking for that, there are other places where it is accepted and probably welcomed. 99% of the members here don’t want that – that’s why they are here. We will continue to work to keep DAR the place those members want it to be. It will never be the place for everyone, but it was never intended to be.
Thanks for everyone’s support. We’ll be doing some board reorganizing to try to implement some of the ideas I’ve received and to clarify the posting guidelines. After that we’ll just see where it goes!
Star
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Post by Punk@ss452 on Sept 16, 2003 2:14:33 GMT -5
I'm sorry that i made things chaotic around here...that wasn't my intention. I will try to refrain from posting my personal comments on this board and again sorry for what i've done. Your board doesn't deserve to be closed down because of my pettiness. You've done so much for all of us and i guess i've taken that for granted. So to all the mods and of course Star, i'm sorry. I hope we can put this behind us.
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Post by Lelu on Sept 16, 2003 9:10:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry that i made things chaotic around here...that wasn't my intention. I will try to refrain from posting my personal comments on this board and again sorry for what i've done. Your board doesn't deserve to be closed down because of my pettiness. You've done so much for all of us and i guess i've taken that for granted. So to all the mods and of course Star, i'm sorry. I hope we can put this behind us. It's not just you. It is a general feeling of pettiness and bickering that has been going on since the break up. We just need to get back to the core of this board which is Dark Angel.
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Post by Punk@ss452 on Sept 16, 2003 21:02:15 GMT -5
It's not just you. It is a general feeling of pettiness and bickering that has been going on since the break up. We just need to get back to the core of this board which is Dark Angel. I agree..
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Post by Teoni on Sept 20, 2003 19:11:02 GMT -5
Star,
DAR represents the heart and soul of Dark Angel for me--Max and Logan (Jessica and Michael). To close it would be just as devastating to me as when the show got cancelled. None of the other boards come close to the enjoyment I've always gotten from hearing about our favorite ship, characters and actors and interacting with like-minded fans. I don't think there is another board for M/L fans that's as high-quality as this. Compared to the other major DA fan sites, this board has always been a refreshing oasis of sanity, friendship and civility (except for those Wacky Angels, lol!) Unlike DATV, I never felt like I was swimming with sharks at DAR. Long live DAR.
I know you've already decided to stay in business, but I just wanted to submit my $0.02 for what it's worth.
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Post by DarkAngel9019 on Sept 20, 2003 20:55:06 GMT -5
I bet a lot of users (I mean angels ) agree this is their only personal Dark Angel Daily Dose of Logan -Its hard to find information on your own about Jessica and the rest of the cast/writers etc.., so this is our only hope for reliable info....
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Post by Aerie on Sept 20, 2003 21:10:15 GMT -5
I bet a lot of users (I mean angels ) agree this is their only personal Dark Angel Daily Dose of Logan You got it right DarkAngel9019.That's the reason Star opened this board in March 2002. We might be whacky Dark Angel fans but we needed a home. One we could come to and be happy and positive about Season One and Max & Logan. I will always be grateful that Star gave me a place to forget about real life for a little while each day.
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Post by DarkAngel9019 on Sept 20, 2003 21:53:28 GMT -5
You got it right DarkAngel9019.That's the reason Star opened this board in March 2002. We might be whacky Dark Angel fans but we needed a home. One we could come to and be happy and positive about Season One and Max & Logan. I will always be grateful that Star gave me a place to forget about real life for a little while each day. Hmm knew that line would get attention ;D I think the amount of Logans Angels boards broke a record, theres like 5per week... how do you come up with all those Titles *looks cofused* On another note: Even though I am greatful for the boards, I still think the amount of Season 2 talk should be upgraded, I mean it was still DA, I am just saying the rules shoundnt be so strict. I mean saying virus is like a illegal thing on these board ;D I understand Max and alec not being able to talk about them, I agree, alec was to cocky for Max anyway.... Max and Logan always! But some aspects of Season 2 were good too. White was awsome ,and that part of the story was cool I dunno just my opinions , night night ;D
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Post by Lelu on Sept 21, 2003 20:14:58 GMT -5
On another note: Even though I am greatful for the boards, I still think the amount of Season 2 talk should be upgraded, I mean it was still DA, I am just saying the rules shoundnt be so strict. I mean saying virus is like a illegal thing on these board ;D I understand Max and alec not being able to talk about them, I agree, alec was to cocky for Max anyway.... Max and Logan always! But some aspects of Season 2 were good too. White was awsome ,and that part of the story was cool I dunno just my opinions , night night ;D Well we have always said that this is a board dedicated to M/L. We have also always said that we will not allow threads for alec and White. That won't change ever! Season 2 was a bust for most of us here. The vast majority of members have no interest. We can barely come up with enough gems for the s2 thread. I haven't been able to think of much because I can't really watch the s2 DVDs I have. Maybe some day but not here or now.
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Post by Fenster on Sept 24, 2003 17:04:10 GMT -5
As Lelu said above S2 was a bust for most people here and most most members have no interest in discussing S2 and it's characters here. so true
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