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Post by Reilynn on Nov 7, 2005 0:28:18 GMT -5
I know it has come up before. There are some really good stories out there, that are not primarily about Max and Logan. For example, The Last Honest Sector CopA (IMHO) well written story about a good cop. It contains Max and Logan (well, Eyes Only) although neither are named as such because the point of view character doesn't know their names. I hope this thread can be a place to post good stories that are not primarily about Max, Logan and their relationship. A small blurb with what they are about would be nice. Also, if the fiction has some feature that may cause some people to not enjoy it please mention that. For example: "Logan died", "Author obviously not native English speaker", "Really bad grammar/spelling", "Contains virus". I also imagine we will accumulate quite the list of pet peeves that some people would like warned of. I hope I don't have to mention thing that would cause all of us here not to enjoy it because, ironically enough, those are the exact same things Star does not want discussed on this board at all.
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Post by shywriter on Nov 7, 2005 0:47:18 GMT -5
I hope this thread can be a place to post good stories that are not primarily about Max, Logan and their relationship... A small blurb with what they are about would be nice. Also, if the fiction has some feature that may cause some people to not enjoy it please mention that. For example: "Logan died", "Author not native English speaker", "Contains virus". Nice idea, this thread. But may we do the warnings as a spoiler, maybe a bit out of initial visual range of the post? While many readers may wish to avoid Logan-death, for example, many others don't have items they wish to avoid, and would rather not have the surprise ending or unusual plot points revealed. Thanks for the thread. ~ ~
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Post by ML Fan on Nov 7, 2005 1:24:14 GMT -5
I think that the genre of the fic and who the main character(s) are would be good to mention if Logan or Max is dead or perhaps in the fic in the background, that could be mentioned by saying that the fic is a tragedy or an angst fic or saying that there's an M/L subplot, if the writer doesn't want the character death and or subplot to be given away beforehand.
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Post by Scirta on Nov 7, 2005 2:44:18 GMT -5
For example: "Logan died", "Author not native English speaker", "Contains virus". I agree that spoilerish information should be hidden from plain sight. What are you going to do when a character is only apparently dead? His/her reapparence would be a major spoiler. IMO it's also extremely... discriminatory to have a category called "Author not a native English speaker". There are plenty of natives out there who write way worse than someone who has learned the language in school and internalized all the grammar rules. Being foreign born should not constitute a handicap, not having a good grasp of grammar and spelling should. I suggest using one of the three categories: grammar/spelling/characterization issues. Considering I'm one of those who suggested labels, I'll butt in again. These labels should be kept as non-specific as possible, to limit spoilers and categorization overkill. "Contains virus" should be a label on biohazardous material, not on fic. "Virus fic" would be more appropriate and would include virus cure fics. Oops, it just occurs to me that you might have wanted to distinguish between fics dealing with the virus and fics where it's cured. Sigh. That means limiting things a lot. I can think of a few smut fics where the virus is present but... certain latex barriers work perfectly ;D
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Post by ML Fan on Nov 7, 2005 2:55:55 GMT -5
I've seen fanfic writers mention the fact that they aren't native English speakers simply written in the author's notes and that's the end of it. I've never seen anyone make a big deal about someone not being a native English speaker though. Most non-native English speakers don't seem to have a problem saying so from what I've seen.
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Post by Scirta on Nov 7, 2005 3:00:32 GMT -5
Well, MLFan, you know very well that I'm not a native speaker. I don't have a problem shouting it from the rooftops.
I'm not referring to myself here but to other authors who might be skipped by certain readers just because "non-native speaker" implies a bad grasp of language. Why else would you use it as a category if not for that?
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Post by shywriter on Nov 7, 2005 3:02:48 GMT -5
I've seen fanfic writers mention the fact that they aren't native English speakers simply written in the author's notes and that's the end of it. I've never seen anyone make a big deal about someone not being a native English speaker though. Most non-native English speakers don't seem to have a problem saying so from what I've seen. but the point is well taken: the warning, if one is offered at all, should address the fact that the fic contains language errors of a frequency or type that make reading difficult. Whether the errors are by a native user or later user doesn't change that fact! ~ S ~
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Post by ML Fan on Nov 7, 2005 4:23:29 GMT -5
I think that most fanfic writers are usually willing to acknowledge that their spelling/grammar etc. may not be perfect or get themselves a beta. I think that a reader can also look to a story's summary for warnings about spelling/grammar/etc without neccessairly having the writer address this issue themselves. I think that Reilynn may have been using the non-native English speaker sub-catergory as an example of a warning that could be written by someone, not that the exact wording that has been referred to would be used. I keep in mind that some writers take more seriously or pay more attention to spelling/grammar, etc, than others and that it's just a difference in view or opinion that is a personal chioce to me more than anything further.
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Post by maria656 on Nov 7, 2005 9:41:30 GMT -5
I'm guessing anyone can submit to the list? So if you submit, just put what you think a person might want to know as a summary/review and shade any possible spoilers. I will nominate one-actually a set. The Jhondie and Justin series www.fanfiction.net/s/260797/1/ this links to the beginning -set post escape, no M/L but Justin and later Jhondy work for EO. Rated PG13 to R. Paths eventually cross in this series or the Gen X6 series dealing with the 09ers kids. [also safe for M/L shippers] Its been a while since I reread the whole thing. other than looking at Jondy spelled wrong [even the close captioning folks kept changing it] no real problems. You can read more in the author's profile.
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Post by Scirta on Nov 7, 2005 10:18:40 GMT -5
a warning that could be written by someone, not that the exact wording that has been referred to would be used. I said the initial wording was discriminatory. Then we're in agreement about one thing at least, for once. Wow!
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Post by Aerie on Nov 7, 2005 10:55:02 GMT -5
We might be in agreement about something else. My friends that are non-American tell me that American is a language of its own and please don't confuse it with English. Some of them are from England. I won't read a story if Max and/or Logan is dead. ** I will read a story with lack of punctuation and even poor spelling and grammar. That's because I have so much admiration for those who write, even when they have no talent for it. They write because they are compelled to express their love for our favorite characters. I try not to feel embarrassment for them.**with one exception.
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Post by ML Fan on Nov 27, 2005 20:30:43 GMT -5
The Letter by Mystic25 The letter is written by Zach and is for Lydecker.
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Post by maria656 on Dec 2, 2005 23:30:50 GMT -5
No Greater Love by Amy Locke www.fanfiction.net/s/432647/1/Max's mother's story along with the other surrogates. Not perfectly canon, but well done It is complete
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Post by ML Fan on Dec 5, 2005 0:19:03 GMT -5
Reflections of Regret by SatiricalPhilosophy This is the author's summary, which I think is fits what is written well. Summary- An X5 reflects on someone important that was lost to him.
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Post by mari on Aug 14, 2006 13:39:55 GMT -5
I also enjoyed Insane Troll Logic’s Normal-fic "First Impressions": www.fanfiction.net/s/3072128/1/Normal is perfectly in character and still I had some pity with him, the poor guy ;D.
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